So basically f*ck 'em, they're a bunch of Commies, and Erdogan threatened to kill/capture several dozen US special forces troops so we better do what he says.
Yes, that's exactly what we said to the Soviets, and no, I don't think Erdogan threatened to kill or capture any US troops. And yes, just as I said Obama should never ever have involved us in Syria, Trump is exactly right to withdraw them. Should have been his first act as president, but you can't have everything.
Perhaps more to the point, the American public does not and will not support an escalation of the middle east wars. RIght now it is easy for our elected officials to be supportive of the Kurds and anti-Turkey because there are no news reports of dead American soldiers killed by Turkish ones. The instant it happens we know politically all of the Democrats and many Republicans will turn against the war in a heartbeat, perhaps message massaging a little by saying it's not the war that's the problem, its the bad man leading it. Either way, Trump loses support almost immediately and the Congress starts holding votes that stymie his ability to fight a war while the public whom he serves openly protests one more battlefront in what seems a never-ending quagmire.
There is nothing stopping our Congress from enacting legislation to support the kurds and even authorize a war against Turkey. Note that the supporters of a possible conflict with a NATO ally have not done this. I think Trump has handled this poorly, especially the communication and messaging, but what I'm seeing are the equivalent of the crowd around a bar fight yelling "Kick his ass!" while carefully staying out of the fight. If the Kurds are worth risking a war for, then let those officials state that is the risk, describe the goals, and explain how many American casualties are expected and acceptable. And for the rest off the world,if the USA is failing the Kurds (and they are, regardless of whether it is worth it or not) then send enough troops to replace them and protect the Kurds. It has grown truly appaling that our political classes on all sides are so quick to complain and blame and almost incapable of actually taking action.
Nobody is suggesting that the US should fight a war against Turkey. The problem is this argument goes in a circular direction, 'there is a threat, so you expect us to fight, right?'. The problem is not that there is now a threat to the kurds, the problem is the President, withdrawing his forces and announcing that fact to Erdogan who clearly took it as a green light, created the threat. There was no problem, till the President created one.
I keep hearing about the grave threat to US troops. In this conflict the Kurds took something like 12000 casualties. How many American ones has there been? 5. And some of those were from friendly fire.
Now this war has presented itself, there is nothing to do but withdraw, and accept the denudation of American authority and prestige it creates. Meanwhile the President sells the story 'stop the endless wars', and endlessly doubles down on what appears to be the next war with Iran. He is pulling them out one end of the middle east, and putting in even more at the other. I truly cannot keep up with the mental backflips this man is doing.
Here is the mind fuck Donald Trump cannot sell to me. He blames us for letting terrorists in, right? Opened the borders, blames us for letting in terrorists from the middle east, a mantra keep keeps selling to his supporters. Then he blames us for NOT letting terrorists in. How the hell is that supposed to work?
He doesn't think about such matters in any coherent way.
That's just him being the crazy old man on the park bench angrily shouting at people. He gets to angrily shout at people, he's happy - and his cultists think he 'owned' those other people.
The lying moron is also in favour of high capital imports and angry about high trade balance deficits - but the two are pretty much the same thing.
It's all ignorance and inconsistency based on ignorance and a lack of thought.
He's got a very primitive mind. People project a lot of expectations on him, but that's their own fault. Everything he does can be explained with a long list of psychological disorders, a very short attention span, great laziness and a primitive mind.
You must not hold it against Americans. They had a choice between 2 dangerous lunatics and picked the more charismatic one. I probably would has well. I would probably have had a shower afterwards, but...
Former US national security adviser John Bolton was so alarmed about White House efforts to pressure Ukraine, he told an aide to alert a lawyer, US media report.
Mr Bolton also reportedly warned that Mr Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was "a hand grenade who's going to blow everyone up".
Fiona Hill, a former official, told US lawmakers about the remarks on Monday.
She testified behind closed doors as part of the impeachment inquiry.
The probe, led by US Democrats, is looking into whether Mr Trump improperly pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden, his political rival.
The inquiry stems from a whistleblower complaint about a July phone call between the Republican president and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky.
Ms Hill, who served as the senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council, is the first former White House official to testify in the impeachment inquiry. She left the Trump administration shortly before the 25 July call with Mr Zelensky.
A rough transcript of the call released by the White House shows Mr Trump asked Mr Zelensky to investigate Mr Biden, now a Democratic frontrunner for next year's White House election.
But Mr Trump denies any wrongdoing, or that he withheld military aid in order to pressure Ukraine.
What did Hill testify?
Fiona Hill's testimony, as reported by the New York Times, Politico and NBC News, revealed what Mr Bolton thought of an effort by some White House officials to pressure Ukraine.
Ms Hill said Mr Bolton told her to discuss the matter with the top lawyer at the National Security Council after he had a testy exchange on 10 July with Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the EU.
Mr Sondland was involved in the Ukraine pressure campaign, along with Mr Giuliani. Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, was also seen as a key player, according to Ms Hill's testimony.
Mr Bolton, who left the White House in September, said he wanted no part in their scheme, Ms Hill told lawmakers.
"I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up," Ms Hill said Mr Bolton told her, according to Politico. The New York Times reports the same line but says Ms Hill said Mr Bolton referred to Mr Sondland and Mr Mulvaney, not Mr Giuliani and Mr Mulvaney.
Responding to the testimony on Monday, Mr Giuliani said, "I don't know Fiona and can't figure out what she is talking about", according to the Washington Post.