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#641 Markus Becker

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1527 PM

This looks better than the last one. It has historic tanks as opposed to the modern stuff. ;)

https://youtu.be/ODeotvFxTdo
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0456 AM

I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?

 

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0731 AM

I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?

 

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From what I've seen, the inside of Brit tanks was silver.  Trucks seemed to be green.


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 1356 PM


I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?
 
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From what I've seen, the inside of Brit tanks was silver.  Trucks seemed to be green.
It was pretty much up until the same until challenger2 they were still using silver stain on Challenger1, I wouldn't call it paint as it came of on your skin in hot weather.

Edited by Wobbly Head, 10 June 2019 - 1519 PM.

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 1614 PM

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 1846 PM

 

 

I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?
 
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From what I've seen, the inside of Brit tanks was silver.  Trucks seemed to be green.
It was pretty much up until the same until challenger2 they were still using silver stain on Challenger1, I wouldn't call it paint as it came of on your skin in hot weather.

 

Even Tremclad Silver paint will do that, i think it has something to do with the colouring.


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 1905 PM

 

 

 

I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?
 
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From what I've seen, the inside of Brit tanks was silver.  Trucks seemed to be green.
It was pretty much up until the same until challenger2 they were still using silver stain on Challenger1, I wouldn't call it paint as it came of on your skin in hot weather.

 

Even Tremclad Silver paint will do that, i think it has something to do with the colouring.

 

The extra vowel is the culprit.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 0257 AM

I did not want to start a new thread anywhere, but does anyone know what the interior colour was for British AFV / softskins in WW2?

 

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Soft skins were typically what ever the exterior color was. If the lorry was painted SCC.2 aka DSB, aka Dog Shit Brown, it was painted that way inside too. If SCC.15 (Olive Green) as a base, then that was what the interior was. What ever the base color was at the factory. If a disruption pattern was applied it was probably not extended inside. 

AFV's were white inside (unless an open topped vehicle like a scout car, half track or SPG, etc. Early on it was an aluminized paint, like post war, but the Aluminum was a strategic material so it was dispensed with for the duration. Vandal had evidence of white under the silver as to most WWII era AFVs as the silver was applied after the war when the aluminum became more available again as a light reflective but less obvious 'oh look at your boot prints all over everything color. On Vandal when we were stripping down all the interior parts, you could can find where the silver was applied over white parts after they'd been installed some time later. 

Most of the time the interior restorations are not as finicky. We noted various parts that had original colors on the factory part and made a point of not repainting them all over unless it seemed like they'd have been done so. I color matched the Eau-du-nil from an interior base part that had been sandwiched between other parts to get the closest match possible. Also, we figured that likely many parts from different manufacturers (CAV, Lucas, etc ) would have had various shades of SCC15 or SCC.2 or what not. 

Some fittings would be eau-du-nil as from the manufacturer (Dash, some covers, etc). Others would be black or even that crinkle finish black (Like the CAV box) you find on cameras, some electronics and Post war Sterlings. Leather would be oiled and left to be. Canvas likely to be blanco'd or left alone. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 0641 AM

Useful, thank you


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1434 PM

Some is going to catch flak for this video!

https://youtu.be/8JRp51TVDuE
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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1910 PM

Nick gained some weight and lost some hight:

https://youtu.be/wwaCkaxw7So

There's also a Jagdpanther involved.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0713 AM

Nick gained some weight and lost some hight:

https://youtu.be/wwaCkaxw7So

There's also a Jagdpanther involved.

 

 

anyone notice that the  "old  hands "  do not make such a big deal out the Panther / German reliability + road wheel  song and dance as the younger folk - for example the Chieftain, and popular opinion,  as has been during the last few years ?

 

The pendulum is swung to max negative amplitude right now for Panther and Co.

 

I predict a correction in the near future to a more exact assessment.  This means someone doing tedious math, and writing a new book.


Edited by Martin M, 06 August 2019 - 0714 AM.

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0828 AM

Nick gained some weight and lost some hight:

https://youtu.be/wwaCkaxw7So

There's also a Jagdpanther involved.

It would appear that he's also now a member of the Weald Foundation.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 0942 AM

 

Nick gained some weight and lost some hight:

https://youtu.be/wwaCkaxw7So

There's also a Jagdpanther involved.

 

 

anyone notice that the  "old  hands "  do not make such a big deal out the Panther / German reliability + road wheel  song and dance as the younger folk - for example the Chieftain, and popular opinion,  as has been during the last few years ?

 

The pendulum is swung to max negative amplitude right now for Panther and Co.

 

I predict a correction in the near future to a more exact assessment.  This means someone doing tedious math, and writing a new book.

 

 

I don't think that the pendulum will swing very far the other way. The Germans certainly seemed to value reliability enough to place a strong emphasis on the reliability of the Leopard 1 and they seemed to value ease of repair enough to go the extra mile to ensure that the engine and transmission could be replaced quickly in field conditions. This was based on their WWII experience, too. 


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Posted 08 August 2019 - 1220 PM

I'm not sure if you implying that the Panther was a mechanical turd but just in case you aren't implying it I will come right out and say it.

From a mechanical point of view the Panther was substandard


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Posted 08 August 2019 - 1754 PM

The Germans did not have a choice but to lower the quality of parts going into the Panther, the raw materials and time for the good stuff was not there. Not helped by French workers actively sabotaging stuff. Littlefields crew found WWII cigarette butts in the final drives when they disassembled them. I wonder how much was due to technical design, how much due to lack of high quality parts and how much to sabotage? 


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 0844 AM

The Germans did not have a choice but to lower the quality of parts going into the Panther, the raw materials and time for the good stuff was not there. Not helped by French workers actively sabotaging stuff. Littlefields crew found WWII cigarette butts in the final drives when they disassembled them. I wonder how much was due to technical design, how much due to lack of high quality parts and how much to sabotage?



There simply was not enough time to properly develop the vehicle. e.g. the undersized gearbox. It was driving on its own out the factory and was able to shoot the cannon? There is the frontline! Go!

 

 

But to which percentages faults can be attributed to the causes, we can only make wild guesses.


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 0939 AM

I'm not sure if you implying that the Panther was a mechanical turd but just in case you aren't implying it I will come right out and say it.

From a mechanical point of view the Panther was substandard

 

 

The post was intended as it reads, not meaning to start up the old discussions again.   I have not felled my degree of turdiness verdict yet.  If I ever have something novel to present, I will. 


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 1108 AM

but we are due for another round of:

The final drive was good enough, it was the drivers' fault

and the always popular

The final drive was just too small

and

The drives don't matter when the engine catches fire


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 2200 PM

 

The Germans did not have a choice but to lower the quality of parts going into the Panther, the raw materials and time for the good stuff was not there. Not helped by French workers actively sabotaging stuff. Littlefields crew found WWII cigarette butts in the final drives when they disassembled them. I wonder how much was due to technical design, how much due to lack of high quality parts and how much to sabotage?



There simply was not enough time to properly develop the vehicle. e.g. the undersized gearbox. It was driving on its own out the factory and was able to shoot the cannon? There is the frontline! Go!

 

 

But to which percentages faults can be attributed to the causes, we can only make wild guesses.

 

Zis is tanknet, we are all about ze Wild Ass guesses!!!! 


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