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Posted 19 November 2012 - 1013 AM
Posted 19 November 2012 - 1034 AM
I do listen, but I do disagree at the same time.
The way I see it - the inital objective was to be capable of fighting a war against USSR in it's mainland as a part of a coalition (simmilar to the help of certain nations just after the WW1). Then it is remade to adress the island hopping campaighn against Japan.
Existing land forces are excessive against any possible Soviet/Japanese landings on the Alaska mainland at that time.
This means (atleast in my view) that the pre war army must have had the mobile element as part of the Army corps (ideally a division-corps, atleast an armored brgades), with central use artillery units for reinforcement of a priority sector (concentration of effort principle). The "island hopping version" sure, would be with high level dispersal of assets within the 2 divisions used (Naval Infantry one and the regular infantry one).
Yes, I do understand the existing limitations and I applaud the effort made into making the numbers work, but I disagree with the organisation made.
@Tuccy in 1944, on Western Front you had a much better road network and logistics, smaller objective depth. If you compare British experience (91 division per 400km I believe) to the soviet one (560 divisions/corps per 3200 km) you would notice that overall densities were not all that different, especially when taking into account how soviets concentrated effort on points of decisions.
The approach you are talking about did not work, as it did not collapse the enemy defense line due to poor concentration of effort and failed to exploit it due to poor operational flexibility (AD being called back at Nancy). Instead of quick advancement you had the attritional battle, which is less effective in terms of materiel of war used.
p.s. just trying to provide a critical (if "angry russian") position on your little roleplay game here, that this topic is now.
Edited by ikalugin, 19 November 2012 - 1038 AM.
Posted 20 November 2012 - 1459 PM
Posted 23 November 2012 - 0809 AM
As the main thread grows, it becomes more difficult finding older information back. So I thought it would be best to create a content index here, hoping to remember where to find that.
The Quest for the Russian Roots
The Great Russian American Armed Forces Reform of 1940
Drafting the 1942 OOB
Edited by BansheeOne, 14 December 2013 - 1713 PM.
Posted 23 November 2012 - 0931 AM
Posted 23 November 2012 - 1229 PM
As I disagree with speed/inflexibility issues pointed out.
Would do that tommorow.
Edited by ikalugin, 23 November 2012 - 1241 PM.
Posted 23 November 2012 - 1317 PM
Many things that are on the main thread fly in the face of my own preferences, they are just appropriate in that context and for the mysterious Chief of Signals who is an enigma, wrapped in bacon and served with a small glass of Tokaji.
Posted 24 November 2012 - 0135 AM
US organisation with UK fire control.
best of both worlds
Posted 24 November 2012 - 0220 AM
Posted 24 November 2012 - 0304 AM
Would post a long answer later, when I get to proper keyboard.
Russian/Soviet fire control is better efficiency wise, shame so little was written in English on the matter. I thing Glantz might have writen something to the effect. Would it help if I get "Artillery Divizion In Combat translated"?
Posted 24 November 2012 - 0624 AM
Posted 24 November 2012 - 1302 PM
Lots of things I'd like to do but can't see how to force in. We can't have 'em thinking everything up. It has to evolve from what they're doing, or be learned.
Edited by swerve, 24 November 2012 - 1302 PM.
Posted 24 November 2012 - 1533 PM
Posted 26 November 2012 - 1132 AM
Posted 26 November 2012 - 1240 PM
Posted 26 November 2012 - 1242 PM
A fleeing government with somewhere to set itself up in should be able to hang on to at least some of the overseas embassies & consulates, & get companies with assets overseas to transfer ownership (in some cases no doubt disputed by the Soviet govt.) to new HQs set up in Russian America. This would give emigres somewhere to flee to, both those wavering whether to stay or run, & those who ended up somewhere insecure & unwelcoming, such as Manchuria.
Russian America could use Russian merchant ships to transport refugees from any port where the USSR couldn't impound them.
The Harbin contingent would probably migrate en masse, & there'd probably be an additional exodus through Vladivostok. I can imagine some getting out through Persia. The main exodus would be from the West, though, as historically. Wrangel's army & camp followers, Yudenich's lot in the Baltics, & anyone who got over the land borders. There'd be something of a shortage of women, so a larger proportion of those who got out might gravitate to Russian America than the men. It'd probably seem more attractive than prostitution in Harbin, Shanghai, Istanbul or wherever, which is where a lot ended up.
Hundreds of thousands in the first couple of years is probably realistic.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 1309 PM
Not much armor threat - no need for thick armor
High mobility - cavalry
Maybe after war we may consider Hellcat 90?
Posted 26 November 2012 - 1627 PM
Right after I work out how to replace the Cyclone with a more sensible engine.
Edited by Simon Tan, 26 November 2012 - 1628 PM.
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