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#261 Jim Warford

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 1624 PM

The M-62C's 3BM11 APDS round...

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 2147 PM

The SU-122-54 was a tank destroyer and was deployed in seven-gun tank destroyer companies. It's design, however, actually blended two of the self-propelled gun categories (translated): anti-tank self-propelled units and self-propelled assault guns. The M-62C main gun (intended for the SU-122L), would have provided increased firepower and the 3BM11 APDS round.

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 2223 PM

SU-122-54 was follover on SU-100, primary AT orientated SPG on the medium tank chassis.

Real follower on the SU/ISU-152 series was never adopted however, even if there were attempts (Obj.704 AKA ISU-152 model 1945 and T-10 based Obj.268).


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#264 Jim Warford

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 2234 PM

Bojan; I agree with what you're saying...my point is that the SU-122-54 combined characteristics of both the "primary AT" SPG and the heavy assault gun. Its predecessors could be used in both roles if necessary, but not to the built-in success of the SU-122-54.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 1530 PM

Was it here?


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 1532 PM

One year ago


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#267 Jim Warford

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 2320 PM

A couple of pics from the museum at Krasnodar...

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 0836 AM

SU-122-54 was follover on SU-100, primary AT orientated SPG on the medium tank chassis.
Real follower on the SU/ISU-152 series was never adopted however, even if there were attempts (Obj.704 AKA ISU-152 model 1945 and T-10 based Obj.268).

Bojan; I agree with what you're saying...my point is that the SU-122-54 combined characteristics of both the "primary AT" SPG and the heavy assault gun. Its predecessors could be used in both roles if necessary, but not to the built-in success of the SU-122-54.



I think it has to do with the move away from heavy tanks. In the end the T-54/5 MBT can do most of the things the SU-122-54 can do, hence the low production numbers and taking out of service of these.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 1730 PM

122mm had better real life penetration than 100mm (100mm had better penetration in theory), hence attempts to use it in SU-100 and SU-102.


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#270 Jim Warford

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 0008 AM

Rooftop pics...

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 0003 AM

Speaking of the IT-1...I still find it very curious that the IT-1 has become very well known in the last several years...to include official/posed, vehicle interior, and operational photographs or video being released (see below). While similar photos or video of the SU-122-54 on the other hand, have not appeared. Could this simply be the result of the lack of attention the SU-122-54 may have received from the powers-that-be in those days (no missile), or is there something more to the story?


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 0619 AM


What's the difference between the 122 mm 3BM7 and 3BM11 APDS ?

I still find it very curious that the IT-1 has become very well known in the last several years...
or is there something more to the story?


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Edited by Sovngard, 04 January 2018 - 1522 PM.

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#273 Jim Warford

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 0001 AM

There's no doubt that the SU-122-54 has enjoyed a bit of a renaissance in the last year or two...it's finally being included in recent books and articles (both Russian and English), and there seems to be more related "turf" on the 'Net as well. Additionally, model makers seem to be showing more of an interest of late...and yes, I will take a tiny bit of credit for this renewed interest. :)

Here's a look at some new scale models expected to be released in 2018...

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 1118 AM

That mine clearing vehicle with a KPV turret is new to me. That turret looks very different. I guess they wrapped the usual BTR turret with additional armour?


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 2258 PM

It's the BIS-1 mine clearing vehicle; here are two relatively recent pics from Ukraine...

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