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#1 Jim Warford

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 2102 PM

Here are a few for starters:

1) Arjun's 120mm APFSDS round

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2) Indian 125mm rounds

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3) Polish 125mm APFSDS

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 2228 PM

Nice photos!
The Polish 125mm APFSDS round seems a new round.
It didn't looks like original Russian 125mm rounds.
Is it indigenous or cooperation?

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 1417 PM

2) Indian 125mm rounds

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Funny that a M1 and a M113 are on the Photo in the background, as neither uses such ammo. :lol:

#4 Harkonnen

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 1658 PM

Funny that a M1  and a M113 are on the Photo in the background, as neither uses such ammo.  :lol:

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The ammo is designed to be used on them :lol:

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 1145 AM

The ammo is designed to be used on them :lol:

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:lol: :lol:

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 1154 AM

Nice photos!
The Polish 125mm APFSDS round seems a new round.
It didn't looks like original Russian 125mm rounds.
Is it indigenous or cooperation?

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Because it is new one.

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(that projectile on the left)

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Developed by WITU, made by ZPS Pionki (former Pronit) with cooperation FPS Bolechowo. Data:
penetrator diameter: 25 mm
projectile mass: 7,6 kg
penetrator mass: 3,65 kg
muzzle velocity: 1650m/s
medium max. pressure of fumes *: about or less than 444 MPa
penetration at 2000 m: more than 500 mm RHAe

Previous round (at tankfan pages so called "Pronit APFSDS") probably used importet Israeli rods. But the new one is really new ;)

#7 Davin

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 1200 PM

The new round seems has a better penetration than Russian 3BM-32.
Its sabot shape looks specially,I like the style.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 1204 PM

Good looking HE round. Wonder why the US cant manage to make one.

#9 Jim Warford

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 2039 PM

...two more rounds: the "Super 76" 76mm APFSDS version of the "Super 75" used by Taiwan for their M41Ds; and the US M900A1 APFSDS round.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 2203 PM

How is the M900A1 different from the M900?
When did the M900A1 enter service?
Is the M900 and M900A1 really able to be used by the older tanks? I thought it needs an improved gun to handle the high pressure, which was only fitted to some late model Abrams with the 105mm gun.

... the US M900A1 APFSDS round.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 2302 PM

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Doesnt the penetator seem aint small?

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Posted 17 October 2005 - 0552 AM

This link lot of details about the Arjun Main Gun

http://www.drdo.com/...feb02/arjun.htm

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 0320 AM

This link lot of details about the Arjun Main Gun

http://www.drdo.com/...feb02/arjun.htm

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Some more details about Arjun FSAPDS

Length 944 mm

Weight 20.2 kg

Propellant charge weight 8.3kg Type NQ/M

Projectile weight 6.8kg

MV 1650m/s

L/D Ratio 18

Slipping band to reduce spin

Claimed performance is ability to defeat single, double, triple heavy NATO standard target at 5000m

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 0343 AM

105 mm ound - right, and a round unknown to me...

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 2004 PM

...two more rounds: the "Super 76" 76mm APFSDS version of the "Super 75" used by Taiwan for their M41Ds; and the US M900A1 APFSDS round.

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Whilst we're on Uranium sabotted penetrators I have a somewhat idle question. Do those nations which have a small OR non-existant nuclear industry save the expense of producing "depleted" uranium and simply produce rounds containing both U235 and U238? A lot of money saved and not a lot of extra radioactivity. WB

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Posted 30 October 2005 - 0336 AM

Speaking of tank ammo.....

I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use).

Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available....

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Posted 30 October 2005 - 1537 PM

Speaking of tank ammo.....

I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use).

Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available....

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Israeli 120 mm rounds for Mk3 Baz

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#18 Davin

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 1014 AM

Israeli 120 mm rounds for Mk3 Baz

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Does some body has the penetration data of Israeli 120 mm APFSDS rounds?

#19 Jim Warford

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 1001 AM

...and some more:

1) South Korean 120mm rounds
2) 115mm APFSDS penetrators scattered about
3) Ammo cache in Afghanistan

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 2148 PM

...Swiss 120mm training ammo.

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