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Polish Armoured Vehicles And Their Modernizations.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1107 AM
T-55AM "Merida" was a Polish modification, comparable with T-55AM2B and T-55M, it seems that we also used BDD armor. Fire control system was however made in Poland, it's name was (obviously) "Merida", there were approx 600 T-55A modernized to this standard, besides the basic T-55AM "Merida" there were also command versions T-55AD-1M and T-55AD-2M, as well as engineering vehicle T-55AMS.
Besides new FCS, vehicle was also equipped with laser warning equipment WPL-1 "Bobrawa", smoke dischargers WPD-1 "Tellur" and WWGD-1 "Erb", as well as newer NBC protection system.
Gun barrel received thermal shroud.
Edited by Damian, 19 April 2013 - 1111 AM.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1119 AM
And this is "Opal" a modified Polish variant of the well known MT-LB. "Opal" was a basis for several different specialized vehicles, there were also two versions of "Opal".
Specialized versions are:
WPT Mors - ARV
Bor - prototype ammunition carrier
TRI Hors - Engineering vehicle
TRI-D Durian - improved version of TRI Hors
ZWD-10R Łowcza 3 - automated command vehicle for anti air defence
Lotos - MEDEVAC variant
Sopel - lightweight anti air vehicle (his photo is on the previous page)
Stalagmit - Improved version of Sopel
ISM Kroton - mine layer
This is SUM "Kalina", self propelled mine layer, which is based on SPG-1M chassis and share the same components with BWP-2000.
Edited by Damian, 19 April 2013 - 1130 AM.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1136 AM
Below concept images of PT-2001 "Gepard":
This one is from Bumar, turret was French.
And here is concept image of OBRUM design.
In the end as winner in competition, ended OBRUM's project, however due to financial problems, further works were posponed and later cancelled.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1259 PM
could you write up something more about the Opal upgrade and the SUM?
first one - upgrade or newly built?
second one - like MTLBU, but more protection?
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1332 PM
As far as I can say, Opal's were new builds, builded in Huta Stalowa Wola (Stalowa Wola Steelworks). As for SUM as it's name says SUM - Samobieżny Ustawiacz Min - Selfpropelled Minelayer was designed solely to this purpose, however later it's basic hull design and components were used for the BWP-2000 IFV prototype.
By the way, on the photo where you can see SUM "Kalina", behind it is barely visible ISM Kroton self propelled minelayer.
Ok so now maybe something newer, the WPB "Anders".
WPB means Wielozadaniowa Platforma Bojowa or Multirole Combat Platform, "Anders" is obviously a hnorable name given after general Władysław Anders.
The vehicle as it's codename suggest is modular and designed as multirole platform. However it is important to note that WPB "Anders" as presented was only technology demonstrator, it never reached the prototype stage. Still however it was tested on proving grounds (including static firing tests) and there were several attempts to tests it's modularity by changing configuration of single existing example to different configurations.
First presented example was WPB "Anders" WWO/LCz (WWO/LCz - Wóz Wsparcia Ogniowego/Lekki Czołg - Fire Support Vehicle/Light Tank).
Vehicle is equiped with designed in Poland, low profile turret with bustle autoloader, armed with RUAG 120mm smoothbore CTG gun, coaxial machine gun, and second heavy machine gun that can be mounted on the RWS seen on the turret, this RWS was also designed in Poland.
Besides a 3 men crew, vehicle in this configuration, can also take 4 dismounts.
One of these dismounts can control the RWS on turret, thus vehicle commander can focus on commanding vehicle. RWS control panel for dismounts is visible on photo above (that white box).
The engine of this vehicle is German MTU 8V199 TE20. What is also interesting is that between engine and transmission there is placed so called Starter-Generator, which can in case of emergency or nececity provide enough energy to move vehicle without using the main engine.
Another configuration is WWO/LCz with CT-CV turret, and 105mm gun.
As you can see, not only turret had been replaced but also hull was reconfigured.
Another two examples are BWP variants, BWP means Bojowy Wóz Piechoty or Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
First variant was equipped with manned turret Hitfist-30P, which is Italian in origin but manufactured in Poland for Rosomak wheeled APC.
In this case, hull have same configuration as in case of the first WWO/LCz configuration.
And here another BWP variant, equipped with unamnned turret Hitfist-OWS.
These were four presented possible configurations, but there were more, actually there was planned also variant with longer and heavier hull.
WPB "Anders" was also tested with Ukrainian Active Protection System Zaslon, in Poland called Szerszeń or Hornet, also there were rumors that Israeli Trophy was also considered for tests or was tested. Vehicle can also use addon armor, although it is good to know, that because it was technology demonstrator, it's final weight and protection level, was never finally specified.
Edited by Damian, 19 April 2013 - 1356 PM.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 1517 PM
Prototype and low rate initial production series for tests were builded in 1985, and mass production was from 1986 to 1989.
Edited by Damian, 19 April 2013 - 1529 PM.
Posted 21 April 2013 - 1034 AM
Maybe today something less typical.
KTO "Hipopotam" wheeled APC, it is still technology demonstrator, and it's purpose is to supplement smaller and lighter KTO "Rosomak" in roles when the latter is just too small, to for example fit enough equipment inside. Of course KTO "Hipopotam" is fully amphibious.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 0945 AM
You crazy Poles......any Meridas still sitting in sheds? They are just the ticket for Afrika.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 1001 AM
You crazy Poles......
any Meridas still sitting in sheds? They are just the ticket for Afrika.
No, all T-55's including Merida variant were withdraw from service between 1999 and 2001, some are in museums and in private hands, others were scrapped, I don't know if any were sold out somewhere.
KTO Rosomak (Wolverine) M1M variant, with QinetiQ RPGNet, this variant is used in Afghanistan among other older variants.
Addon armor on glacis plate is capable to reduce penetration capabilities of older and weaker RPG's.
Rosomak was also tested for integration with CT-CV turret, which was successfull, however it is not known if such variant will find it's place in Polish Army. 120mm gun would be more desireable than 105mm, due to ammunition commonality with Leopard 2.
Edited by Damian, 22 April 2013 - 1028 AM.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 1021 AM
Some of the RWS systems designed in Poland.
Here armed with 12,7mm machine guns, but it is possible to install 7,62mm machine gun and 40mm grenade launcher.
ZSMU-70 with 7,62mm machine gun and 70mm unguided rockets launcher.
WPB Anders in WWO/LCz version with Polish turret and 120mm gun during firing trails.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 1649 PM
Old video from early 1990's when PT-91 was inducted in to service, video shows first PT-91's in 34th Armor Cavalry Brigade.
However as typical for TV and times back then, there was a bit of propaganda there.
Also what is importan to note, this was first variant of PT-91 with ERAWA-1 ERA, which have a bit different shape on turret, than heavier ERAWA-2.
Edited by Damian, 22 April 2013 - 1712 PM.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 1712 PM
And several interesting episodes of TV documentary "Nasza Armia" (Our Army) with armoured vehicles.
Sorry for lack of translation, but still video material is worth to watch.
Posted 22 April 2013 - 2230 PM
Only you lot put this kind of effort into a business without any real possibility of making the investment back. Of you lot are justifiably paranoid. (They ARE all out to get you).
Posted 23 April 2013 - 0231 AM
I think you do not understand the nececity of technical modernization.
Currently used equipment is getting older and older, modernization is not because someone is paranoid or other strange reason, it is nececity so armed forces can fullfill their purpose, being capable to protect my country. This is exactly the same purpose that many other armed forces have.
Besides only a fool believes that there might be no war or other threat in future, same kind of fools predicted that 1st world war will end all wars.
As for investing in to own industry, it is also reasonable, to be more independent from world arms manufacturers, and of course own arms industry will eventually benefit my country on world markets.
I find it funny, when many other nations, spends much more on arms and their armed forces than we do, everything is ok, but when Poland wants to improve it's security, all the sudden from some people we have litteraly a shi(a)t storm why we do this, why we do that etc. Even when our doctrine is purely defensive, and we do not want to threaten any of our neighbours or any other country.
Edited by Damian, 23 April 2013 - 0325 AM.
Posted 23 April 2013 - 0326 AM
it's the shotgun approach that has me confused. Multiple parallel , sometimes redundant efforts rather than a rather more focused, production oriented method would probably make it more affordable and increase your potential for exports. The PT-91M is a case in point, a lot of the contract value wound up going abroad because the Polish components were not up to snuff. There is investment and then there is chucking zlotys in the river.
What is the likelihood of Malaysia buying another lot of Polish AFVs....? ZERO. Because of the pain involved with the PT-91s.
Posted 23 April 2013 - 0332 AM
As I said, this is a nececity, we need to modernize our ground forces, air forces, navy, air defences, literally everything.
As for PT-91M, I think you would be surprised that in Poland nobody deny a fact that Bumar screwed it up, in fact there is a big chance that Bumar as a company will not exist anymore and it's different divisions will be transferred to more efficent private companies like HSW (Stalowa Wola Steelworks) that gained a huge success recently on domestic market as artillery systems manufacturer. HSW have capabilities to design and manufacture not only artillery systems but also other products, like main battle tanks or infantry fighting vehicles, and it will do it better than Bumar that is state owned company, which means problems with efficency and for example client support.
Also many things changed in Poland, and more will change.
Edited by Damian, 23 April 2013 - 0332 AM.
Posted 24 April 2013 - 1155 AM
I found an interesting photo:
Seems to look like very early prototype of PT-91, or even older proposed modernization T-72M1 "Wilk", that was predecessor of PT-91, however I am not sure.
Posted 24 April 2013 - 1308 PM
It is early Twardy of 1st batch, with orginal ERAWA layout.
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