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#21 BansheeOne

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 0647 AM

There were two Versuchsträger vehicles, part of a study for a possible Leopard 1 successor between 1972 and 1985 (jointly with the UK until 1976 using a shortened MBT 70 chassis, then with France for possible use of the Leopard 2 chassis). VT 1-1 (1974) had two manually loaded 105 mm guns stabilized for elevation, VT 1-2 (1975) two 120 mm guns, one of which with a six-round autoloader.

 

They were supposed to zig-zag across the Northern German Plain, automatically firing their guns whenever they aligned with a pre-selected target from the advancing Red Hordes™. Crew of three, MTU/MB 803 RA-500 engine with 1,500 hp nominal, 2,175 hp "burst" for a speed of 70 kph at 43.5 metric tons, plus two electric engines for sneaking and traversing in covered positions. Dimensions 9.06 x 3.54 x 2.04 meters.

 

VT 1-2 is in Koblenz today. There were also five Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger with dummy guns, but in the end the turretless design was found to have too many drawbacks.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 0716 AM

Thanks for that; a most curious looking vehicle indeed and not something I'd heard of before (which doesn't really say much I know). 



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 0813 AM

Banshee, who was the defense minister who so famously backed these and other two/three-man machines?



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 0919 AM

Georg Leber was Minister from 1972 to 1978, though I wouldn't know he backed any particular projects; a lot of reform went on in that time, including the plans for Heeresstruktur 4, establishment of the Bundeswehr universities, admission of female medical officers, etc. He very nearly would have become the minister to order a Finnish airliner flying towards the Munich Olympic stadium shot down after the 1972 terror attack, which turned out just in time to be not hijacked but having an avionics failure.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 1227 PM


 

VT 1-2 is in Koblenz today. There were also five Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger with dummy guns, but in the end the turretless design was found to have too many drawbacks.

 VT 2-2 in Munster?  Does it have dummy or live guns on it?


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 1229 PM

. He very nearly would have become the minister to order a Finnish airliner flying towards the Munich Olympic stadium shot down after the 1972 terror attack, which turned out just in time to be not hijacked but having an avionics failure.

 I've never ever heard of this case! Do have any doc's or links on this interesting case?


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 1300 PM

English sources are a bit rare. Here's a contemporary newspaper report:

 

http://news.google.c...pg=7196,2533348

 

And a somewhat contradictory book excerpt:

 

http://books.google....iolence&f=false

 

Here's a German media report from 2007 which quotes Leber as stating he came within two or three minutes of ordering the shootdown before the DC-9 with more than a hundred on board radioed air traffic control, saying their avionics including radar had gone out and they were lost, asking permission to land at Munich-Riem.

 

http://einestages.sp...m_abschuss.html



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 1547 PM

 


 

VT 1-2 is in Koblenz today. There were also five Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger with dummy guns, but in the end the turretless design was found to have too many drawbacks.

 VT 2-2 in Munster?  Does it have dummy or live guns on it?

 

 

According to the museum catalogue, the Munster vehicle is the Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger GVT 04 the dummy guns of which contain Talissi laser fire simulation devices. These could be supplemented with 20mm cannons mounted on the barrels for sub-calibre fire effect when necessary.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 2112 PM

VISMOD OPFOR M-108

 

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I cant tell if this is a Cadillac Gauge Commando or a Dragon Armored Car, but it has dual wheels so its awesome. 

 

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 2254 PM

That's a fairly complex looking GUN DISH assy. on that VisMod M108 to ZSU-23-4; I wonder if they pulled one off of a "donated" piece of equipment and welded it on (surely they wouldn't have installed a functional unit...), or if they went to that extent to model the wiring, cabling and other electronic bits there...



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 1223 PM

I seem to remember reading somewhere that all the equipment had authentic electronic signatures, but its probably US Army equipment modified to create it. i doubt they would go and start picking stuff out the boneyard. It was useful for training purposes, and its not like you could go to Radio Shack for parts.
 


I'll have to ask a friend if he reverse engineered that system or not. He does radar system testing at GTRI when he's not terrorizing the range safety and environmental officers.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 2052 PM

T-55 Jaguar 

 

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T-55 based engineering vehicle. 

 

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T-55 based fire fighting vehicle 

 

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Don't have a name for this guy

 

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T-80 based apocalypse vehicle  

 

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 2248 PM

Besides having an obviously fake dish, the M551 based ZSU was a lot more visually realistic. Did it replace the M108 based one or vice versa?

 

http://2008.uploaded...08/46279385.jpg

 

I've also seen a much less realistic M113 (163?) based one which presumably replaced one of the above. I've seen another pic that implies the latter were replaced by unmodified M163s. Perhaps someone who has been to the NTC lately could clarify this?



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0230 AM

PTS-4

 

 

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0258 AM

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0411 AM



Georg Leber was Minister from 1972 to 1978, though I wouldn't know he backed any particular projects; a lot of reform went on in that time, including the plans for Heeresstruktur 4, establishment of the Bundeswehr universities, admission of female medical officers, etc.

 

Leopard 2 ... and the start of the Tornado program. Both to be concluded under Apel - who then claimed the credit for the Leo 2, and got into hot water for the Tornado program's cost overruns.

 

 

Anyway, back to topic - the Panther prototype:

 

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0737 AM

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What´s THAT?

Looks like form "The Empire strikes back"!

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0751 AM

2S35 Koalitsiya-SV



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0838 AM

ELKE, Elevated Kinetic Energy demonstrator. (XM274 ARES 75mm)

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 0842 AM

This looks like a tank chassis under a dump truck. Maybe one of those high-speed artillery tractors?
Anyone recognize the track style?

 

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In this Thursday, June 27, 2013 photo, a truck hauling dirt rides along a berm set up to contain an approximate 22-acre sinkhole in Bayou Corne, La. Neighbors in the town face a wrenching decision after the sinkhole opened up near their homes: Stay or go? (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)


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