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#21 bojan

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1338 PM

Is it an upgrade or just vismod for OPFOR? Whole thing looks like sheet metal on this picture:

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1340 PM

Israel don't heve ERA, so maybe upgrade



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1413 PM

Is it an upgrade or just vismod for OPFOR? Whole thing looks like sheet metal on this picture:

 

 

The modules look very similar to the type used on the Leopard 2A7, Merkava IV, and the Magach 7c.  I can't believe this is anything other than an upgrade.


Edited by DKTanker, 23 March 2016 - 1414 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1423 PM

Israel don't heve ERA, so maybe upgrade

 

Israel has had ERA-tech for decades (calling the first generation of it 'Blazer;) and they used it on older tanks like the M48.  They haven't put such armor on the Merkava as it has not needed it, but they do have the tech if they or a customer needs it.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1431 PM

 

Israel don't heve ERA, so maybe upgrade

 

Israel has had ERA-tech for decades (calling the first generation of it 'Blazer;) and they used it on older tanks like the M48.  They haven't put such armor on the Merkava as it has not needed it, but they do have the tech if they or a customer needs it.

 

He knows that, in fact I'm sure he knows that Israel led the world in the employment of ERA.  So I'm not sure what he was trying to convey unless he was trying to say that the IDF has gone away from using ERA on their tanks.  Which is true.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 1903 PM

The Egyptian M60 upgrade looks very similar to the upgraded M60 Phoenix from the Jordanian KADDB:

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It got the same "intendation" at the right turret front armor module (from the driver's perspective) below the main sight, the same general shape and the armor also "looks like sheet metal" at the lower edge of the gun mantlet:
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The Jordanian M60 Phoenix is utilizing armor protection technology developed by RUAG. The original prototype did not feature SidePRO-CE ERA protection, Egypt seems to have utilized the same armor upgrade, but used (local?) ERA.

In an older flyer from RUAG, there is also listed "Passive armour against KE threats" and "Passive armour against HE threats" in the "Protection technology" section under a photograph of the M60 Phoenix. It seems reasonable to assume that the M60 from Egypt might have retained the passive armor component of the RUAG/KADDB upgrade

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 0248 AM

The added armour look only roughly similar in shape imho. The jordanian has a visible slit cut out for the coaxial machine gun absent on the egyptian M60 and the angles look different, too. Area around the cannon looks wider open on the egyptian as well.


Do we know who made the modifications to the egyptian M60?

Edited by Panzermann, 24 March 2016 - 0248 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 1510 PM

The added armour look only roughly similar in shape imho. The jordanian has a visible slit cut out for the coaxial machine gun absent on the egyptian M60 and the angles look different, too. Area around the cannon looks wider open on the egyptian as well.


Do we know who made the modifications to the egyptian M60?

 

The Jordanian tank also has a different mounting for the M2HB while the Egyptian variation retains the original cupola.



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 1831 PM

the angle of the lower face of the front wedge is significantly different between the two variants.

 

Doesn't mean that the Egyptian version doesn't borrow a lot from the former, of course.



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Posted 25 March 2016 - 1006 AM

I know a few years(?) ago Egypt was being offered the M60-2000/120S which is basically...well, you take an M60 and build an M1 around it. 

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Nobody bought it though, which is a shame, seems like a neat M1 "Upgrade"



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Posted 25 March 2016 - 1209 PM

I know a few years(?) ago Egypt was being offered the M60-2000/120S which is basically...well, you take an M60 and build an M1 around it. 
 

 

Nobody bought it though, which is a shame, seems like a neat M1 "Upgrade"

It was the turret from an M1A1 fitted to an M60 hull.  Probably didn't sell because there would have been little to no cost savings over buying an entirely new tank.



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Posted 25 March 2016 - 1341 PM

Or just a plain m1a1 in the first place. This idea would have made sense if there had been a surplus of Abrams turrets. Like the M48 A4 was planned to use the unused M60 turrets from the stopped M60 A2 conversions.

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 0632 AM

The Phoenix is a prototype, so seeing it using a slightly different armor layout is not surprising (even though I think that the different slope of the frontal armor might be just a result of the different perspectives from which the photos where taken). Overall however the Phoenix seems to be the closest to the Egyptian M60 upgrade in terms of design. Who produces armour upgrades for the M60A1/A3? The General Dynamics has suggested the M60-120S, which certainly is not related to the Egyptian variant. The older Super M60 tank is also related to the Egyptian M60 upgrade, due to the different shape and armor design (many small bolts visible at the exterior). Other than the US, there are only two options: Israel and Switzerland/Jordan. We know from the Sabra and the Magach tanks, that Israel's special armour designs are also having a very different appearance (in case of the Sabra and the Merkava tanks there are mulitple bolts on the exterior, whereas the older Magach tanks have a visible multi-plate structure). Also there are some political issues involved here - who would sell tank upgrades to a (former) enemy with an instable government/political situation. That leaves RUAG and the KADDB, which happened to have made a very similar looking tank upgrade. That the Egyptian variant does not have special armour covering the gun manlet and lacks a slot for the coaxial machine gun, is a difference that might have solely resulted on the Egyptian requirements or their budget. The different cupola of the Phoenix and the Egyptian M60 is the result of Egypt only upgrading the armour, whereas the Phoenix tank was meant to be a upgrade to all subcomponents. The different FCS of the Phoenix would also explain the slightly different shape of the intendation for the gunner's main optronics. There might be a possibility of this armour upgrade being a local development, but this seems to be very, very unlikely.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0440 AM

Interesting...

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0517 AM

Reminds me of the so-called "enigma" T-55 from Iraq. Makes you wonder what is inside the boxes.



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0531 AM

That's M60... And those "boxes" on both turret and hull looks more like hollow metal than ERA.

Edited by GARGEAN, 25 August 2017 - 0532 AM.


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0537 AM

That's M60... And those "boxes" on both turret and hull looks more like hollow metal than ERA.

 

Yes, that obviously is an M60 A3. But the boxes look just as roughly welded as the ones on the mentioned T-55. And of unknown content.



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0610 AM

The boxes are filled with "interactive armor" according to the Twitter poster. I guess that means NERA...



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0628 AM

F***ing NERA everywhere...

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 0744 AM

The boxes are filled with "interactive armor" according to the Twitter poster. I guess that means NERA...

 

figured that it was most probably NERA or NxRA because that is pretty much what everybody uses these days.

 

 

 

"interactive" makes it sound like stacked iPads. Or Zune players. ^_^






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