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#481 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 0153 AM

You know what I mean. :D

 

Actually the Soviet Army had more in common with the Tsars army than you would think. I was reading a rather good book on the Russian Army before the fall of the Tsar and it was quite common to have the Army on harvest duty, often with kickbacks to the units commander for providing the Troops. And hilariously, the Soviet Army did just the same thing, up till the early 1980's anyway. In fact they were even sending troops back from East Germany to help with harvest detail after the exercise season concluded. They only stopped when they started getting antsy about Ronald Reagan kicking something off I think.



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 2005 PM

For Throwback Thursday, one of the Berlin Brigade-scheme Challenger 2s on Salisbury Plain, complete with dozer blade and ladder:

 

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 0303 AM

I see the MOD's austerity plan to supplement armoured training with window cleaning services is paying dividends. :)



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 0559 AM

I see the MOD's austerity plan to supplement armoured training with window cleaning services is paying dividends. :)


Stuart, you are a very naughty boy! :)

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 0737 AM

Need windows cleaning Guvnor? Show a heart, got a Squadron and 3 kids to support. :)

 

 


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 2201 PM

Any takers on whether Challenger 2 will survive the not-SDSR that seems to be occurring?

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 0259 AM

Its impossible to know. The only good news is with the RAC contributing to the  Estonia deployment, gas axing the remaining Challenger2's is going to show up a loss in capability even the most capable spin doctors cannot airbrush.

 

Without going into Politics, there has been a recent political scandal and the Defence Secretary has resigned. The PM had a choice of 3 people to replace him, 2 of which actually served in the armed forces, and she instead picked someone with a reputation as being ruthless and politically reliable. Thats a fair indication on what's going to happen next, in general terms at least.



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Posted 04 November 2017 - 1818 PM

Ive been watching that with interest, Stuart. Acknowledging the no politics caveat, its difficult to fault selection based on perceived reliability over military experience for a member of cabinet, especially in light of the narrow majority the PM enjoys.

Ive only recently started following the Thin Pinstriped Line blog...he doesnt seem to pick up examples at random (..delete Challenger II...), so I hope thats not a foretaste of whats to come.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 0344 AM

Thanks, that looks like a very fine blog. Ill use it in other posts.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 2115 PM

Some protection measures are being tested for Challenger 2, but of course their adoption remains an open question:

 

 

Challenger 2 trialled with ROSY, Iron Fist APS

 

 

Rheinmetall’s ROSY rapid obscurant system has been demonstrated on a British Army Challenger 2 main battle tank (MBT), Jane’s has learned, with components of Israeli Military Industries’ (IMI) Iron Fist hard-kill active protection system (APS) also understood to have been integrated.

 

Undergoing live firing trials in June, the ROSY system was used as a demonstrative rapid blooming obscurant for integration assessment and concept development. The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) procured one ROSY system for the purposes of examining how such an obscurant could be integrated onto the Challenger 2 as part of a soft-kill protection system, and potentially as part of the MBT’s Life Extension Project (LEP).                                                                          

Beyond ROSY, the Medusa Technical Assessment Programme (TAP) is continuing to develop an understanding of how APS technologies could be integrated onto the Challenger 2, with the soft-kill Multifunction Self-Protection System (MUSS), manufactured by Hensoldt, undergoing integration work through the three-year TAP running from May 2016 to May 2019. This cross defence lines of development (DLOD) effort will culminate in live-fire testing and also lead to the development of relevant tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTPs) for the system’s use.

 

Jane’s understands that a separate hard-kill APS study is also underway, run through a Defence, Equipment, & Support (DE&S) Framework Agreement for Technical Support (FATS) contract seeking to provide evidence for a potential larger procurement of such a system. This programme has seen funds invested from British Army Headquarters and there is collaboration with Australia’s Defence Science and Technology (DST) Group. The project will also develop safety case and installation evaluations for the system.

 

Representatives of IMI, speaking at the SMi Future Armoured Vehicles Survivability conference in London, shared photographs of the Challenger 2 fitted with the company’s heavy version of the Iron Fist, which comprises a pair of pedestal-mounted launchers for hard-kill effectors linked to radar and volumetric infrared sensors.

 



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 0400 AM

Ive long wished we would have a tieup with Israel on AFVs.Maybe at long last it might happen.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1323 PM

Would such a deal survive a Labor government?



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1330 PM

Would such a deal survive a Labor government?

 

Labour were in power when we purchased the Exactor 1 missile system from Israel. As for now, that's anyone's guess.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1352 PM

Ill be honest, I cant really see much difference between any of the major parties on defence. Labour dismantled Challenger 2s, the Tories didnt rebuild them, and continued the rot by dismantling harrier and nimrod and the 3 flatops. Im not seeing any difference between them to be honest.

 

If there was a strong party on defence, whatever their other issues id vote for them. But there isnt.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 2138 PM

For Throwback Thursday, one of the Berlin Brigade-scheme Challenger 2s on Salisbury Plain, complete with dozer blade and ladder:

 

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What did they carry a ladder for? 



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 2223 PM

 

For Throwback Thursday, one of the Berlin Brigade-scheme Challenger 2s on Salisbury Plain, complete with dozer blade and ladder:

 

 

 

What did they carry a ladder for?

 

My honest guess would be that the ladder was to be used to gain entry to buildings via 2nd story windows (1st storey is how they'd say it in the UK, I think).



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Posted Yesterday, 02:53 AM

Its in urban camo and they were supposedly trialing new urban warfare techniques so yes, that is probably the most likely. The windowcleaning is probably just a sideline. :)






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