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#41 BansheeOne

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0336 AM

"Challybrams" The perfect match!  ;)

 

"Abrenger" has a better ring to it. :D

 

The Challypard looks Space-Nazi-level wicked though.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0548 AM

The Lerchallenger is by far the best option. It's going to benefit from being lighter and thus cheaper to run. It will of course be powered by a Rolls Royce Europack power train which will free up yet more space and weight savings.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0617 AM

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0618 AM

Why...the most effective way is to have the Armed Forces free up resources by simply machinegunning civil servants.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0618 AM

Why would David Cameron pay to unmothball a French turret production line instead of buying American?


More seriously, why would the British replace the existing one ?
 

Plus the M1's turret is just plain better.

 
Explain what you understand by that.
 

Here you go, the Challyclerc.
 
 
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It must be said that this turret suits it to perfection.
 
Exiting the tank seems a bit easier for the driver than on the Challybrams and the Challypard.


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0622 AM

It's probably quite a bit easier to install a new turret basket to the AMX56 turret than to cut up and rework the Chally turret to take an autoloader and new 120mm gun.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0754 AM

I think the line is kinda sorta extant....kinda sorta.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0826 AM

Is Leclerc still in production?

 

IIRC, the answer in another thread some time ago was no but could be restarted.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0842 AM

Is Leclerc still in production?


Next year, it will be ten years that the production of the Leclerc has ended.

But its production could be restarted if the Saudi are decided to buy it.

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0843 AM

Yes, it could be restarted in some 2 years, if one pays for it...



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0856 AM

That rules out the British then. :D
 
I wonder if its possible to make a 152mm HESH round....


In that caliber Shillelagh of course! :P


Seriously, russian HE-Frag are much better.


Well I don't know. In recent years quite a lot of Leopard 2 have been converted to bridge layers, AA, AEV and other specialist vehicles. The Brits could go collect all these spare turrets from around the globe. ;)

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0903 AM

 

 


 

 

 

Alright, admit, im impressed.

 

 

 

Didnt do a Type 90 though did you? No. :D

 

 

 

Challenge accepted and met.  ChallyType 90.

 

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0908 AM

You do not happen to own a Type 10 model? We want to modernize and the Type 90 is pretty much the same time frame as the CR2.

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0909 AM

ChallyHitoMaru!



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0913 AM

Make a topic dedicated to your turrets switch. :D



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0920 AM

Make a topic dedicated to your turrets switch. :D

I think I am done with that for right now.  The request from Panzermann for a Type 10 turret has me beat.  



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 0934 AM

In that caliber Shillelagh of course! :P

 

Challylagh!

 

OTOH, sounds too Gaelic. :P



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 1801 PM

 

...when they replaced the Leopard C2 with the Leo2A6M, in Afghanistan they were underwhelmed by the  smoothbores HE alternative compared to the effect of the 105mm HESH on the hard structures in the region. I understood they were working on a HESH like round for the smoothbore, but not sure were that is or still alive?

 

Did Canadians get proper multi-mode HE for 120mm or used "HEDP" (read HEAT) for anti-personnel?

 

Smoothbore HESH will not work proper, muzzle velocity is too low for effective long range fin stabilization.

 

 

I can ask but not sure  at the moment



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 2215 PM

swapping out the turret would do many good things, but it would not adress one serious limitation of the challenger, namely the weakened cutout on the front hull behind the drivers hatch. 

it would also not adress the extremely weak lower front hull of the challenger, or the limited power of the challenger powerpack. 

and personally i think the protection scheme on the challenger 2 turret is good. extremely well sloped front, and flat sides, which reduces front profile and saves weight, the rear turret is really the problem. FCS is quirky, but good enough. gun has to go, but with the russian fielding the Armata, and the Rheinmetall 120 basically having reached it's limit, and also possibly not being able to defeat the armata, a bigger gun might be neccesary, or a new type of top-attack round.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 2234 PM

I've read that the Perkins Condor CV12 has been tested successfully at 1500HP.  No idea how true it is.  Any reason why they can't upgrade the powerpacks in the Challenger to 1500HP?






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