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#21 Wiedzmin

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 0641 AM

yes i read whole report, but 8'' thick block, it's hollow inside, not 8'' of steel :)

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i interested in thickness of "walls" of that block, it's more or less similar to Leopard-1 gun cradle i think

 

V8/T3 what sort of steel is that ? armor ? 



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Posted 04 September 2016 - 0645 AM

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31364T pattern turret armor, behind 89mm "beard" there was turret ring protection, thickness of ring unknown, 50-60mm imho



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Posted 17 September 2016 - 1808 PM

SA Olifant uses Cent turret (with modifications)



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Posted 25 September 2016 - 0817 AM

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all turrets of centurions was welded from cast parts(3-piece)? Or only 31364T ?


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Posted 14 October 2016 - 0535 AM

https://yadi.sk/i/nKnC-6f7wp8dH

 

"assessment of lethality of U.S shell 105mm HEAT-T M456 against a space-plated Centurion tank"

 

recently bought a report, maybe someone will find it interesting



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 0608 AM

https://yadi.sk/i/nKnC-6f7wp8dH

 

"assessment of lethality of U.S shell 105mm HEAT-T M456 against a space-plated Centurion tank"

 

recently bought a report, maybe someone will find it interesting

 

I guess we all would! The link appears broken, btw



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 1054 AM

https://yadi.sk/i/Sr4tcXzvxSgSi

 

and now ?



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 1205 PM

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 1447 PM

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Yup, tanks a lot!  ;)



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Posted 25 October 2016 - 0152 AM

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183mm HESH vs Centurion, thanks to  Fu_Mahchu 


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Posted 05 November 2016 - 1443 PM

 

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183mm HESH vs Centurion, thanks to  Fu_Mahchu 

 

Quite bad, although to get a hit with a 183mm gun you really had to be pretty close!

The document on the M456 effectiveness is highly interesting; while enough to pierce with a good hit, there are a lot os small nook and crannies which may help survive the impact.... No doubt the Germans and French thought it was better to get a more agile tank....



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Posted 06 November 2016 - 0418 AM

Leo1 not much faster in real conditions than Chieftain for example, brits were testing Leo1, and not much smaller...



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Posted 21 November 2016 - 1232 PM

20 pdr Centurion trials "Motion study of ammunition stowage of centurion 3" 

 

"It was found to be possible to load any of the eight "ready rounds" in an average time 3.6 seconds for DS ammunition, and 4.1 for APCBC ammunition at elevations of not more than 12°" 



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Posted 22 November 2016 - 0338 AM

Leo1 not much faster in real conditions than Chieftain for example, brits were testing Leo1, and not much smaller...

Im not sure the Australians believed this. They actually trialled Chieftain against Leopard 1 after all.



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Posted 22 November 2016 - 0439 AM

 

Im not sure the Australians believed this. They actually trialled Chieftain against Leopard 1 after all.

 

is it possible to read something about the results?



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 1152 AM

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 1216 PM

 

Leo1 not much faster in real conditions than Chieftain for example, brits were testing Leo1, and not much smaller...

Im not sure the Australians believed this. They actually trialled Chieftain against Leopard 1 after all.

 

Neither do i.....while i have no experience with the Chieftain, i have driven both Leo 1 and Centurion (mk 5/2) and compared to the latter, the Leopard is an order of magnitude faster ...both on and off road.....its also much much easier to drive, more maneuverable and has a smoother ride.  Now the Chieftain might be slightly better than the Cent in this regard but from what i have heard from my older colleagues, who have had a chance to try the Chieftain , its still a bit of a dog to drive. 


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 1731 PM


Leo1 not much faster in real conditions than Chieftain for example, brits were testing Leo1, and not much smaller...

Im not sure the Australians believed this. They actually trialled Chieftain against Leopard 1 after all.

The Centurion replacement trial conducted in Australia was between Leopard 1 & M60. Where & when did we trial Chieftain? IIRC, we wanted to, but none could be made available.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 0316 AM

ive no idea where exactly. Maybe they were just present at the service trials in Yuma salt flats or in the Negev desert. More than likely there were some Aussie servicemen on secondment in the British Army, and could have sized it up in its service trials. Im sure I read somewhere the Aussies also evaluated FV432, again, ive no idea where.

 

The Chieftain had a rep at being able to go places where Centurion bogged down. You can read in the Ian Allan Chieftain book (George Forty) that crews were amazed that Chieftains were able to go through very boggy ground that would have got stuck  in Centurion, presumably because of the higher power to weight ratio (which considering it was a Chieftain is saying something) and lower ground pressure (because it was longer).

That said, legend has it that Centurion could go places Abrams couldnt in 1991 because of its manual gearbox, so its a bit of a mixed picture.



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 0533 AM

FV432 was trialled head to head against the M113 in Australia. The M551 was also trialled in Australia. The Centurion replacement trial was between the Leopard 1 & the M60. I'd differentiate between "looking at" and "trialling" - to the best of my knowledge, Australia never seriously considered - or trialled - the Chieftain.

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