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#21 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 0438 AM

Even Stormer 30mm would have been a step up on what we have been using for the last 2 decades. And it would have kept UK AFV manufacturing alive.



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 0452 AM

oh the irony to come back and wanting Boxer. ^_^

 

Even Stormer 30mm would have been a step up on what we have been using for the last 2 decades. And it would have kept UK AFV manufacturing alive.

Makes too much sense.

Edited by Panzermann, 19 October 2016 - 0452 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 0548 AM

oh the irony to come back and wanting Boxer. ^_^

 
 

Even Stormer 30mm would have been a step up on what we have been using for the last 2 decades. And it would have kept UK AFV manufacturing alive.

Makes too much sense.

 

 

Irony is something we do well :)



#24 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 0550 AM

Due to EU directive 45332, trade in Irony is banned for endangering elephants. :)



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Posted 20 October 2016 - 1454 PM

Due to EU directive 45332, trade in Irony is banned for endangering elephants. :)

 

Brexit: Saving British Irony From Continental Tyranny. :D



#26 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 0201 AM

We must not have, an Irony Gap!



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Posted 21 October 2016 - 1909 PM

An ironic curtain has descended across the continent...

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 2319 PM

LOL so good



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Posted 22 October 2016 - 0210 AM

Very good DD. :D



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 0044 AM

Even Stormer 30mm would have been a step up on what we have been using for the last 2 decades. And it would have kept UK AFV manufacturing alive.


IIRC the CVRT family was a sales success so is even more perplexing that Stormer was not selected, even if just as a replacement for the FV432 series.

#31 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 24 October 2016 - 0147 AM

Success rarely has much to do with MOD decisions.

 

CVRT=success. So rather than buy updated versions, they cut the number of armed versions in service, overuse them, then spend far more keeping them in service than buying small batches of new vehicles like Stormer 30mm would have done. If anyone things im exaggerating here, lets remember scimitar2 where they were effectively building new spartan hulls to mount Scimitar turrets on. IE, a new vehicle. Any reaosn we couldnt have done that 20 years ago with Stormer? No. We allow the capablity to produce lapse, then flog our guts out to reacquire it.

Scammell Commander= Success. So they buy Oshkosh.

Challenger 2 = So they dismantled 130 of them, and dont update the remainder for 20 years.

Warrior= By and large a success. So they cut the proposed buy in half, and allow the capability to procure more to lapse

Westland Apache = Success, so they cut the buy in half, the cost per unit goes in the roof, so they have a neat excuse buy American.

Westland Lynx =  Success, so they delay procuring WIldcat so that the factory goes bust.

FV432=Hateful piece of crap. Gee, lets keep it in service! :D

 

Alright, as usual I exaggerate. But not so much.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 1858 PM

Success rarely has much to do with MOD decisions.
 
CVRT=success. So rather than buy updated versions, they cut the number of armed versions in service, overuse them, then spend far more keeping them in service than buying small batches of new vehicles like Stormer 30mm would have done. If anyone things im exaggerating here, lets remember scimitar2 where they were effectively building new spartan hulls to mount Scimitar turrets on. IE, a new vehicle. Any reaosn we couldnt have done that 20 years ago with Stormer? No. We allow the capablity to produce lapse, then flog our guts out to reacquire it.
Scammell Commander= Success. So they buy Oshkosh.
Challenger 2 = So they dismantled 130 of them, and dont update the remainder for 20 years.
Warrior= By and large a success. So they cut the proposed buy in half, and allow the capability to procure more to lapse
Westland Apache = Success, so they cut the buy in half, the cost per unit goes in the roof, so they have a neat excuse buy American.
Westland Lynx =  Success, so they delay procuring WIldcat so that the factory goes bust.
FV432=Hateful piece of crap. Gee, lets keep it in service! :D
 
Alright, as usual I exaggerate. But not so much.


Heck - It's like Herblock's law is baked into British industry and Government decision making.

#33 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 0205 AM

Dont encourage me by agreeing with me. :D

 

You know, other nations look after their defence industries, try to maintain them, throw them a bone every so often. The way we have treated Augusta Westland was absolutely shoddy, and likely would not be repeated by anyone else in Europe. And not surprisingly we are losing them. 10 years from now we will be whining we cant find anyone that will fulfil our particular specs for maritime helicopter requirements.

 

I dont quite know why this is that we have no interest in preserving such capabilities. Maybe the Government has internalised the 'Merchants of Death' argument that was pushed around  in the 1920s. That seemed to affect rearmament in the 30s among other things.



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Posted 01 November 2016 - 0853 AM

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail has declared the Ajax to be a "Death Trap."  



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Posted 01 November 2016 - 0901 AM

Well, at least they did not say those are wheeled death-traps



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Posted 01 November 2016 - 1848 PM

Based on the diagram showing the "driver's periscope" I think every driver is going to have to be nicknamed "Eric Wry-neck". And that's all I'm saying on this subject.



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Posted 02 November 2016 - 0256 AM

Is it too late to rename it 'Gavin'? :)



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Posted 02 November 2016 - 0510 AM

Is it too late to rename it 'Gavin'? :)

Don't Stuart!

Actually it's a little surprising that Artec got away with calling the vehicle Boxer. Peugeot has been producing the Boxer van since 1994 whereas the "Mothership of the Infantry" didn't get its name until December 2002.

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Posted 02 November 2016 - 0520 AM

 

Is it too late to rename it 'Gavin'? :)

Don't Stuart!

Actually it's a little surprising that Artec got away with calling the vehicle Boxer. Peugeot has been producing the Boxer van since 1994 whereas the "Mothership of the Infantry" didn't get its name until December 2002.

 

LOL! :D



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Posted 02 November 2016 - 1406 PM

Is it too late to rename it 'Gavin'? :)


Oh feck me Stuart! That was good. We have the same sense of humour ....




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