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#1 rmgill

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1344 PM

I just happened across this youtube channel. Quite prolific information. 





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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1347 PM

Part 3...



 



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1353 PM

Hmm. Are videos not showing?



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1508 PM

Superb videos. Great find Ryan.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1521 PM

Superb videos. Great find Ryan.

 

Britishmuzzleloaders is also into the personal kit of the period and all that. leaning towards reenactment.

 

 

the channel "blokeontherange" by a Brit living in Switzerland is also quite informative about the details of the various Enfields. He also has a series about swiss service rifles. And a funny collaboration with this canadian guy.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1801 PM

I was looking at a video last week from the BlokeOnTheRange guys and noted that they weren't using period kit as part of their rate of fire demonstrations. That seems important to me for a complete picture. British Muzzle Loaders DOES use the period kit and his research seems to be quite in depth. 



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1820 PM

I think that's a very valid observation Ryan. I really like Bloke on the Range, but I also find some of his videos and the conclusions therein questionable, particularly when he debunks myths that actually do have some truth in them. Ditto Ian on Forgotten weapons to a lesser extent. Awesome videos though. The Canadian guy and his partner(?) who do WW1 small arms videos really are great and I have no similar misgivings about them. I can watch Lindybeige in small doses - the same with Larry Vickers. I love IV8888, Hickock and Paul Harrel.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 1829 PM

The Canadian Guy does a LOT more Pre WWI musketry videos. Martini Henry's, Sniders, Lee Metfords, etc. 


Note...proper use of relevant kit...



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 0327 AM

I nearly bought one of those at a militaria show about 12 years ago. They were selling for something like 530 quid. Still seemed like a good deal to me.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 1401 PM

I have a Martini Henry that I rescued from the local police scrap pile. 

 

[Late edit - another hour of my life gone watching these videos]



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 1550 PM

What I'm curious about now, having seen the lengths gone to to impart marksmanship skills, is were these efforts continued post WW1. I can understand that money was really tight c. 1928-38, but would a 1939 Territorial Army infantryman or 1942 conscript get this level of training and was the pay bonus for marksmanship skill maintained? How about in the 1950s and 60s?



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 2008 PM

Seaforth Capbadge and the background looks a lot like Westcoast BC, likely a local lad.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 2151 PM

Can you tell by the Beady little eyes and Flappy Head? 

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 2157 PM

I think that's a very valid observation Ryan. I really like Bloke on the Range, but I also find some of his videos and the conclusions therein questionable, particularly when he debunks myths that actually do have some truth in them. Ditto Ian on Forgotten weapons to a lesser extent. Awesome videos though. The Canadian guy and his partner(?) who do WW1 small arms videos really are great and I have no similar misgivings about them. I can watch Lindybeige in small doses - the same with Larry Vickers. I love IV8888, Hickock and Paul Harrel.

Check out Mishaco's channel.



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 0347 AM

I have a Martini Henry that I rescued from the local police scrap pile. 

 

[Late edit - another hour of my life gone watching these videos]

I am in so much awe and envy right now :D



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 0353 AM

What I'm curious about now, having seen the lengths gone to to impart marksmanship skills, is were these efforts continued post WW1. I can understand that money was really tight c. 1928-38, but would a 1939 Territorial Army infantryman or 1942 conscript get this level of training and was the pay bonus for marksmanship skill maintained? How about in the 1950s and 60s?

 

Given the change of roles, that is, the firepower of a section moved from the SMLE to the BREN, and the recognition that few infantry would shoot at a target 2000 yards away (as recognised by the change in the SMLE 4 sights), was such training necessary, particularly at a time when the average Commonwealth / Imperial infantryman had to be proficient with his rifle, a machine carbine, the BREN and quite possibly the platoon's 2" mortar, as well as the Boys or the PIAT?  Possibly even to assist with the battalions 6pdrs if called upon, at least to have some rudimentary skills in pointing and shooting the things in the right direction.

 

In 1914 the average Tommy Atkins had to be able to point and shoot his rifle reliably, and possible be able to show proficiency in bayonet drill.  25 years later things had changed.


Edited by DougRichards, 30 November 2017 - 0359 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 1345 PM

Doug the 1914 qualification shoot was 600 yards maximum. They had already realised that 1000, let alone 2000 yards was unrealistic.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 1428 PM

Dave Gordon, writer of the books on the British Infantry Kit of WWII has the Martini Henry beat...He's just got this all together. Proof testing of the barrel was accomplished something like a year ago. 



 


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 1512 PM

Did the bombs actually emit smoke from their noses like that in reality? :)  One a more serious note, was the 4.2" mortar drop fired?



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 1523 PM

The smoke was so he could find the rare and unusual mortar bomb. And yes, it was drop fired. He also has a functional 3" Mortar. 

Photos I can't embed here, here and here


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