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#561 Rick

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0535 AM

Well you can understand the confusion, over here a Liberal is someone whom is of the centre ground in politics.

I understand there is confusion. I don't understand "the" confusion. But as I've stated before, I'm unattentive toward European politics.


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#562 DB

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0631 AM

It was made more complex when the Blairites controlled the Labour party - that was "New Labour" and the Liberal Democrats were arguably a little more to the left than that, but still insufferably middle class so unable to get a working class vote share.
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#563 shep854

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0827 AM

It's sad, since 'liberal' simply means generous.  Where the idea went off the rails is when certain parties decided it justified seizure and control of others' resources and lives.


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#564 BansheeOne

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 1154 AM

Well, from the outside looking in, your political parties look like two sets of slightly right of centre clownshoes, with some on your "left" just squeaking into 1990s "New Labour" territory, so not much different, really. It's simply that the discourse is much more strident.


Bernie Sanders is a classic 70s North European-type social democrat in the mold of Olof Palme and Willy Brandt. He used to be the outlier in national politics, but Alexandra Occasio-Cortez and her fellow younger Democratic Socialists of America actually remind me of the German SPD's youth wing, the Young Socialists. Which have tended towards firebreathing Marxism since the late 60s, to the point where they had an almost oppositional stance towards the mother party in the 70s and 80s.

Of course a lot of former Jusos subsequently grew up to become New-Labourish pragmatists in the following decades - like Gerhard Schröder, who as chancellor presided over deep welfare reforms after the Millennium, which started the SPD's demise from being one of the two major German parties. The US background is completely different though; will be interesting to see which way those actual leftist youngsters go.

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#565 BansheeOne

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 1058 AM

Apropos of Nordic homicide.

Finland Kuopio school attack leaves one dead

01 October 2019

One person has died and 10 have been wounded in a violent attack at a vocational college in the Finnish city of Kuopio, police say.

A witness told Finnish media that a student entered Savo college carrying a sword and stabbed several people.

Police said the suspect was carrying a "bladed weapon" and a gun.

They said they used a firearm when they arrived at the school, which is in a shopping centre south of the centre of Kuopio.

Another witness told local radio that armed police had confronted the suspect and two shots had been fired.

The suspect, who police say is Finnish man, was among those wounded in the attack. Two are described as in a serious condition.

"One dead body has been found at the college premises of Kuopio Herman," police said. The wounded have been taken to Kuopio university hospital where a major disaster alert is under way.

Students 'threw chairs' at attacker

The college has about 600 students and 40 staff, but officials say it is unclear how many were at the scene at the time of the attack.

One woman told Finnish media how she had helped a female teacher who suffered a deep wound to her hand when she was attacked by the student.

He had walked in on a class shortly after midday and pulled a sword out of his bag and attacked the teacher, the Iltahlehti news website reported. As she tried to flee, students threw chairs at the attacker in an attempt to escape and some were wounded.

Prime Minister Antti Rinne said the violence at the college was "shocking and completely unacceptable", while Education Minister Li Andersson said every young person had a right to study in safety, without fear of violence.

Finland is considered a relatively safe country, with a total of 73 homicides in 2017, but it does have a large gun-owning population. In 2008, a 22-year-old gunman shot dead 10 people at a vocational school in the town of Kauhajoki before fatally shooting himself.


https://www.bbc.com/...europe-49891450
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#566 Burncycle360

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 2314 PM


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 0451 AM

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country". Could you give us the gist?

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#568 wendist

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 0916 AM

When the video starts the man in blue shirt (the coach) have already disarmed the suspect(facing camera) probably without use of force and is holding a rifle in his right hand. Next clip shows the coach hugging/dragging the suspect away from the rifle which is then laying on the floor. Man in white trousers picks it up and walk away to make sure suspect does not try to get it back.

 

Stupid me just realised that you may not even see that first image.


Edited by wendist, 20 October 2019 - 1103 AM.

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