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#1 Inhapi

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1112 AM

Interesting (but very short) mention of combat between captured Somua's, R35's and T34's in 1944 (!)....

 

http://tankarchives....rench-exit.html

 

 


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1207 PM

Interesting. Wonder if the T-34s were -85s.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1215 PM

Original article in Rus with more photos and maps

https://lwolf1942.li...gWyJbpK7EbSSZM4


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1224 PM

F-34, 76mm, armed T-34!


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1224 PM

Interesting. Wonder if the T-34s were -85s.

 

The photos in Roman's link show -76.

 

edit: ha you bet me to it.

 

 

Just as the older T-34 did not disappear overnight, the captured french tanks did not either. And any tank (with a few exceptions) is better than no tank at all.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1236 PM

F-34, 76mm, armed T-34!

Not just T-34/76 but seems like early STZ version dating, i think, to early 1942 - by 1944 it is rare survivor.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1241 PM

 

Just as the older T-34 did not disappear overnight,

Some of them even made their way to Berlin

Tank_t-34_51.jpg

 

And Yugoslavia

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1253 PM

 

Interesting. Wonder if the T-34s were -85s.

 

The photos in Roman's link show -76.

 

edit: ha you bet me to it.

 

 

Just as the older T-34 did not disappear overnight, the captured french tanks did not either. And any tank (with a few exceptions) is better than no tank at all.

 

 

 

Hm.... would you rather sit in a two men foxhole with some panzerfausts or in a R-35 ? (i know both scenarios are quite desperate anyway).


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1313 PM

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1329 PM

Was Hotchkiss H39, no R35!


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1332 PM

Was Hotchkiss H39, no R35!

 

Sorry, you are right


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1334 PM

I very much prefer to confront T-34s playing World of Tanks  :D


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1340 PM

I very much prefer to confront T-34s playing World of Tanks  :D

 

War Thunder :P ;)

 

Though Hell Let Loose looks very tempting. Driving around with just tanks is boring, because you cannot drive over crunchies.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1432 PM

War Thunder :P ;)

My man! And yeah, early T-34 are pretty pesty for their BR.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 1914 PM

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it...:)
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 2138 PM

 

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it... :)

 

 

I could not find any image of a Marder on a S35 chassis.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 2313 PM

 

 

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it... :)

 

 

I could not find any image of a Marder on a S35 chassis.

 

 

Would a 10.5 on a S39 chassis do?

 

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 0311 AM

 

 

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it... :)

 

 

I could not find any image of a Marder on a S35 chassis.

 

 

The only German conversion of the Somua was as a driver's training vehicle with the turrret and much of the superstructure removed. I guess they were to valuable (even if not very much) as gun tanks.


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 0319 AM

 

 

 

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it... :)

 

 

I could not find any image of a Marder on a S35 chassis.

 

 

Would a 10.5 on a S39 chassis do?

 

hotchkiss-105mm-normandy.jpg

 

 

They use those a lot in Normandy apparently. Panzers in Normandy seems to imply they were a fairly successful lashup.


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 0340 AM

 

 

 

I will take the hole with the panzerfaust, please!


And I volunteer as your No.2. Now, if you take the chassis and put a 75 on it... :)

 

 

I could not find any image of a Marder on a S35 chassis.

 

 

The only German conversion of the Somua was as a driver's training vehicle with the turrret and much of the superstructure removed. I guess they were to valuable (even if not very much) as gun tanks.

 

 

They had decent protection, after all. I think Marders were preferably built on fast-ish chassis of poorly protected tanks.


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