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#581 alejandro_

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 1820 PM

Photo taken at Kharkov repair factory. Can someone confirm if tank below is a T-80?

 

http://img-fotki.yan...72_89ecf922_XXL

 

http://zapret-no.liv....com/25893.html


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 1858 PM

T-80BV's it seems.


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 1016 AM

T-80BV's it seems.

 

I was thinking the same. It is the first time I see T-80s (outside museums/open days) in Ukraine. In the photo gallery there are also photos of turbines.
 


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 1419 PM

I always wondered, why they did not make an exchange of D models and the turbine models between russia and ukraine, as russia had the facilities to maintain the turbines and ukraine fir the 6td engine?
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 1502 PM

I always wondered, why they did not make an exchange of D models and the turbine models between russia and ukraine, as russia had the facilities to maintain the turbines and ukraine fir the 6td engine? 
 
I have read references to this several times. Apparently both sides did not trust each other*. Having said that, both nations inherited plenty of modern tanks and there were other, more important issues.
 
* Negotiations for the transfer of Tu-95/160 took years.

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 2005 PM

That gives one quite an insight into the politicians involved. A successful exchange would have helped establish friendly relations, but alas, that is not how it normally goes.


Mostly these tanks are stored at depots now anyway. IIRC Russia has fully withdrawn their T-80 fleet from service for budgetary reasons. Does the Ukraine still run their?
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 0408 AM

It seems that Russians did not withdrawn all T-80's, recently a unit with T-80U's was filmed by TV.

 

As for Ukraine.

 

They keep their T-80UD's in reserve storage.

 

Basic tank of their armed forces is still T-64BV, short term solution is to modernize some of them to T-64BM "Bulat" standard, I think they have currently approx 100 of these.

 

Long term solution is to manufacture and purchase T-84BM "Oplot".


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 0515 AM

Mostly these tanks are stored at depots now anyway. IIRC Russia has fully withdrawn their T-80 fleet from service for budgetary reasons. Does the Ukraine still run their?

 

T-80s will be operated by Russian Army until 2015. Spare parts have not been produced in years and by retiring them maintenance is simplified. Ukraine inherited a small number of T-80 (turbine versions) and did not have access to spare parts. T-80UD had been produced in rather small numbers and many of them ended up in Russia. It made sense to keep T-64BV as MBT. I don't think there is any armoured unit in Ukraine equipped with T-80.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 0626 AM

The new and the old: T-84M Oplot next to M60.

 

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 1426 PM

The crews of the tanks will be discussing what's best between a 3 and a 4 man crew for sure.  :D  Certainly interesting to see the two different eras of technology sized against each other.  Still can't quite get to like that new digital camouflage though. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 1502 PM

*Edit*
Wrong topic.

Edited by JW Collins, 26 February 2014 - 1504 PM.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 1504 PM

Well the M60 wins the beauty contest, that's for sure...  :mellow:


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 2000 PM

Somewhere there's a pic of an M4 Sherman next to an M1 Abrams.  The Abrams looks smaller.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 0404 AM

Ukraine is supposed to be delivering 50 T-64BVs to the Congo:
http://www.defensene...-Tanks-DR-Congo
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 1512 PM

Somewhere there's a pic of an M4 Sherman next to an M1 Abrams.  The Abrams looks smaller.

This happened at Ft. Knox in May 2009. The Sherman may have been on a bit of a slope due to the road, but still its fire height is 13.5" higher than the M1A1's, and the M4A3W is 115" tall over the turret cupola, while the M1A1 is 113.6" tall over the .50 cal.

 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 2335 PM

Ukraine is supposed to be delivering 50 T-64BVs to the Congo:
http://www.defensene...-Tanks-DR-Congo

 

Were I the chief of staff of the Congolese Army, I might wait a few weeks before making plans for those tanks.  If the brown stuff hits the HVAC, Ukraine might decide it needs them itself.


Edited by R011, 27 February 2014 - 2335 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 2115 PM

No  BMT-72 in this thread? http://www.morozov.c.../body/bmt72.php

 

The modelers should love this http://www.morozov.c...s/bmt72-01l.gif

 

BTMP-84

http://www.morozov.c...g/body/btmp.php

 

 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 0826 AM

https://www.youtube....AXZEOcugs#t=123

 

Preparation of T-64BM "Bulat" tanks, we can see how "Knife" dynamic protection elements are put inside modules on turret and hull.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 1017 AM

The T-64s to be refurbished are based in Kharkov, east Ukraine. If they ever need it, access will be impossible as those areas are controlled by pro-Russian groups.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 0407 AM

First Oplots in Thailand. 


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