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#1 alejandro_

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1033 AM

I am trying to make a summary of the placement and number of ammo in modern tanks. This is what I have so far:

IS-3: 28 rounds placed in the sides of turret.

T-55: 43 rounds, 18 in front of the fighting compartment, 9 on the sides, 12 behind and 7 in the turret: 2 on the right and 5 on the rear.

T-62: 40 rounds (42 in T-62M). 20 behind the fighting compartment next to the engine, 16 in front of the compartment, 1 in each side of the hull and 2 in the turret.

T-64: 28 rounds are placed in the automatic loader, with the remainder (8 or 12 depending on the version) being stored behind the driver's station and in the fighting compartment.

T-80: 45 two-piece rounds (projectile and charge), of which 28 rounds are placed in the automatic loader, with the remainder being stored behind the driver's station and in the fighting compartment.

T-90: 43 two-piece rounds (projectile and charge), of which 22 rounds are placed in the automatic loader, with the remainder being stored behind the driver's station and in the fighting compartment. The latest T-90A have some extra modifications.

M48: 54 rounds, 30 of them placed in the front hull: 19 rounds on the left of the driver and 11 on his right; another 8 rounds were placed in the middle hull below the turret ring, and another 16 around it.

M60: 57 rounds, 13 of them in the turret. Rest placed as in M48… more details?

M1 Abrams: Main combat ammunition load (44 projectiles of 55) is placed is isolated rear turret's part. Access to ammunition load is available only with opened armoured screens. Other ammunition storage is placed in armed containers placed in tank's body (8) and in front of the loader (3).

Leo-1V: 42 rounds in hull front next to driver, 13 in the turret.

Leo-2: 27 rounds in the front hull, on the right of the driver, 15 on the left back of the turret.

AMX-30: 47 rounds in total; 19 placed in the turret and 28 in the hull. Any details?

Leclerc: 40 rounds in total: 22 in the autoloader at the back of the turret and 18 placed in the front hull, in the right of the driver.

Conqueror: 38 rounds placed in the turret and in the front hull, right of the driver. In the turret the projectile is above the turret ring and the propellent below.

Centurion: ?

Chieftain: ?

Challenger-2: 50 rounds stored below the turret ring, between fighting compartment and engine?

Any corrections or addition would be welcome…

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1117 AM

I am trying to make a summary of the placement and number of ammo in modern tanks. This is what I have so far:


M48: 54 rounds, 30 of them placed in the front hull: 19 rounds on the left of the driver and 11 on his right; another 8 rounds were placed in the middle hull below the turret ring, and another 16 around it.

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The 90mm I believe had 61 or 63.

Six were in a box on the floor below the breech of the main gun.

Tubes were in the turret bustle hump below the loaders hatch cannot remember number of tubes, 4-8 ???

Ready rack on turret floor below loaders hatch for immediate use , don' t recall how many , 19-22 ???
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1231 PM

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T-90: 43 two-piece rounds (projectile and charge), of which 22 rounds are placed in the automatic loader, with the remainder being stored behind the driver's station and in the fighting compartment. The latest T-90A have some extra modifications.
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T-72M1: 44 two-piece rounds (projectile and charge), of which 22 rounds are placed in the automatic loader, with the remainder being stored in fighting compartment behind driver's station:
- Chasis, inside of (forward) fueltank 3 (HEAT or HE)
- Chasis, front-left of fighting compartment, near main battery's 3 (APFSDS-T)
- Turret, turret floor (top of auto-loader) 5 (2 APFSDS-T at left side and 3 at right side HEAT or HE)
- Chasis, rear-left of fighting compartment, letside of turret 3 (HEAT or HE)
- Chasis, behind turret in chasis floor (behind auto-loader) 8 (HEAT or HE)

Slightly OT, but here is also T-72M1's MG-ammo's:
- PKT 8 x ammo box á 250 = 2000 (1 in PKT mount, 2 inside of (forward) fueltank, 1 front-left of fighting compartment near main battery's, 2 under commaders seat and 2 turret floor right side (top of auto-loader) under radio).
- NSVT 3 x ammo box á 60 + 120 ammo's = 300 (1 box in NSVT mount, 2 right side of turret)

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1233 PM

Challenger-2:  50 rounds stored below the turret ring, between fighting compartment and engine?

Any corrections or addition would be welcome…

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Challenger uses two piece ammunition. Charges and HESH are stored in the fighting compartment, below the turret ring. APFSDS is stored in the turret bustle (i.e. in racks behind the crew, in blocks of four. I don't know what happens post-Bowman, but the pre-Bowman radio fit meant that command tanks had four fewer rounds for each additional radio. (More or less).

IIRC There are/were points for securing additional, single projectiles - one front left of the loader, for example. I suppose these would be for rapid access.

Oh, I don't believe there's anything to stop a crew from putting HESH above the turret ring apart from doctrine.

Chieftain (from Bob Griffin's book)
Four charge bins at loader's position - three under, one in front. these are wet storage.

Most rounds are stored in the rear of the turret, or along the turret sill. Another ten rounds are stored with the driver.

Given that you can't see any racks in the pictures inside the turret in this book, I wonder where they actually go.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1238 PM

The hull ammo in the Leo2 is stored to the LEFT of the driver, not to the right.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 1256 PM

M60A1/M60A3:
Left hull next to driver: 15
Right hull next to Driver: 11
Left of gun, ready rack: 13
Under maingun: 3
Turret Bustle, left side: 21

Total: 63
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 0749 AM

Thanks for the info, another point: Conqueror carried 35 rounds and not 38 as mentioned before.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 0904 AM

The hull ammo in the Leo2 is stored to the LEFT of the driver, not to the right.

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It depends from which side your are looking ;)
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1320 PM

In regards to the Leclerc, the ammunition stored in the forward area of the hull is already packed into an autoloader. Well, I'm probably wrong, but that is what this image published in Armor Mag suggests:

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1339 PM

In regards to the Leclerc, the ammunition stored in the forward area of the hull is already packed into an autoloader.  Well, I'm probably wrong, but that is what this image published in Armor Mag suggests:

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Looks like they're in a rack in the hull, not necessarily in an autoloader. Which makes sense because there is no way to autoload from the hull unless the turret is non-rotating.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1358 PM

Looks like they're in a rack in the hull, not necessarily in an autoloader.


You're probably right.

Which makes sense because there is no way to autoload from the hull unless the turret is non-rotating.

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Well, it was more of an idea of replacing the entire autoloader from the turret and replacing it with the handy autoloader that they have inside the chassis itself. Wasn't that more or less a similar idea to that of the Black Eagle's autoloader?

EDIT: By autoloader I incorrectly only refer to what holds the ammunition, not the loading arm or what have you.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1601 PM

How it *could* be in T-72 (on of the early versions? image below) and PT-91 (above):
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1641 PM

It depends from which side your are looking  ;)

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He was looking in the right direction when he described turret stowage then, and in the wrong way when he described the hull stowage. (Right way = the way the crew faces. The left side of the tank is ALWAYS the left side, regardless of which way you are facing)
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1711 PM

Re: LeClerc hull ammo:

Its a rotating drum that allows rounds to be accessed that would otherwise be inaccessable behind other "stuff" in that triangle of space between the turret basket and hull side.

There used to be a couple of shots of it with the turret pulled on the ArmyRecognition.com web site, but I can't find them now.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 1714 PM

M-84/84A: 42 rounds, 22 in autoloader (usually 8 APFSDS, 4 HEAT, 10 HEF), 20 in hull and turret (usualy 7 APFSDS, 6 HEAT, 7 HEF).
8 positions can not acept APFSDS., so you could not have more then 12 aditional APFSDS.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 2335 PM

Challenger uses two piece ammunition. Charges and HESH are stored in the fighting compartment, below the turret ring. APFSDS is stored in the turret bustle (i.e. in racks behind the crew, in blocks of four. I don't know what happens post-Bowman, but the pre-Bowman radio fit meant that command tanks had four fewer rounds for each additional radio. (More or less).

IIRC There are/were points for securing additional, single projectiles - one front left of the loader, for example. I suppose these would be for rapid access.

Oh, I don't believe there's anything to stop a crew from putting HESH above the turret ring apart from doctrine.

Chieftain (from Bob Griffin's book)
Four charge bins at loader's position - three under, one in front. these are wet storage.

Most rounds are stored in the rear of the turret, or along the turret sill. Another ten rounds are stored with the driver.

Given that you can't see any racks in the pictures inside the turret in this book, I wonder where they actually go.

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Cheiftian almost the same as Challenger1 and 2 practicaly no real change in round stowage the command tanks still have four fewer rounds than normal tanks 2 BOWMAN radios take up the same space as one Clansman but command tanks have a data radio.
There is all sorts of extra round stowage in the Challenger/ Cheiftian including under the gun and behind the driver almost anywhere they could stash a round there were clamps for them.
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Posted 15 December 2006 - 0323 AM

Re Chieftain stowage racks, looking at the rear of the turret on right hand side stowage for 9 rounds, then on turret sill stowage for more APDS numbers vary depending on mark, them moving to the left stowage for 4APDS/HESH (pre TOGS) behind that in turret bustle 4 rounds stowage, then around hull are stowage points for pairs of rounds, with a four round bin under the gun plus 3 on turret floor and has been said 10 in drivers cab. Control/Command tanks always lost 4 rounds due to extra radio fit, not having the book to hand I had though I had included shots showing internal ammo stowage, and in the stowag drawings, never mind will do better with the CR2 book. :D

Also Mk 5 were issued with a 10 round unarmoured bin in the large turret basket which nominally gave the Mk5 a load capacity of 64 rounds, in reality bin removed put into troop stores as it took up to much valuable stowage, smae bin can also be seen in shots of Kuwati and Iranian Chieftains. One other point when trying to work out load for Chieftain there were at least 3 variations on ammo load depending on situation, but it usually would only vary final figure by a few rounds.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 0743 AM

Cheiftian almost the same as Challenger1 and 2 practicaly no real change in round stowage the command tanks still have four fewer rounds than normal tanks 2 BOWMAN radios take up the same space as one Clansman but command tanks have a data radio.
There is all sorts of extra round stowage in the Challenger/ Cheiftian including under the gun and behind the driver almost anywhere they could stash a round there were clamps for them.

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Dont forget the BNAU takes up place of other Clansman radio slot, and the spaces on the loaders wall for Fin have been replaced by a useless computer which always gets kicked in
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Posted 15 December 2006 - 0815 AM

Dont forget the BNAU takes up place of other Clansman radio slot, and the spaces on the loaders wall for Fin have been replaced by a useless computer which always gets kicked in

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But thats so the loader can think that someday he may be able to download porn on that computer because I have no other idea why a loader needs a computer.
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Posted 15 December 2006 - 0906 AM

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A total of 40 rounds of ammunition are carried.
22 in the detachable bustle autoloader

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16 in the armored conveyer located in the hull, and two more rounds are stored in the fighting compartment.
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