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#1261 Yalmuk

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 1010 AM

New HJ-8 shipment arrived to Syria. 

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#1262 DKTanker

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 1101 AM

Damn they are slow about learning though.

Hard to know as we are only shown what is desired to be shown.


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#1263 Sikkiyn

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 1143 AM

Fair enough, but re-watching the same scenes for an extended period of time is telling, even if watered down for general consumption. Additionally everyone has a camera or a device with a camera. There is too much video out there re-showing similar scenes, that over time should have lessened but overall have not.


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#1264 Gavin-Phillips

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 1401 PM

Fair enough, but re-watching the same scenes for an extended period of time is telling, even if watered down for general consumption. Additionally everyone has a camera or a device with a camera. There is too much video out there re-showing similar scenes, that over time should have lessened but overall have not.

 

Perhaps the different groups just don't communicate that much with each other?  That could explain the apparent "slow learning". 

 

Looking through the ANNA videos on youtube and seeing the tanks squeezing down the narrow streets, its easy to understand why at least one of the tankers was complaining about how fragile the skirts with ERA are on the T-72.  Would Western MBT's still have the same problem, especially those fitted with the slat armour or the TUSK-style additions?

 

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#1265 Simon Tan

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 2027 PM

Dissemination of battle skills tends to be limited in wartime unless special efforts are made. Ergo divisional battle schools to spin up replacements.
Seeing quite a bit of this with the Saraya in Damascus.
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#1266 Galen.Wright

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 2131 PM

 

Fair enough, but re-watching the same scenes for an extended period of time is telling, even if watered down for general consumption. Additionally everyone has a camera or a device with a camera. There is too much video out there re-showing similar scenes, that over time should have lessened but overall have not.

 

Perhaps the different groups just don't communicate that much with each other?  That could explain the apparent "slow learning". 

 

Looking through the ANNA videos on youtube and seeing the tanks squeezing down the narrow streets, its easy to understand why at least one of the tankers was complaining about how fragile the skirts with ERA are on the T-72.  Would Western MBT's still have the same problem, especially those fitted with the slat armour or the TUSK-style additions?

 

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Gavin

 

 

That same footage had me thinking about the perennial wheels vs tracks debate as well. Although there's probably not a lot of need for low-pressure, cross-country mobility when it comes to city roads, when there's as much rubble as there is in many of the videos, I'd bet tracks work a lot better wheels in those cases. Of course, that amount of rubble seems to only occur in areas where artillery and other fire has really gutted many of the buildings (e.g. the areas like Jobar that the gov't has had to fight tooth and nail to clear insurgents out of).


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#1267 BLAH

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 2150 PM

The latest one from ANNA is up; it's a continuation of the one where one T-72 hit a mine and the driver was killed (plus an ineffective RPG hit on one near the green buses).  You can see the burnt out tank in the video.

 

 

They use a lot of main gun.


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#1268 Roman Alymov

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 0558 AM


They use a lot of main gun.

According to Russian text, they are shooting through building walls into the barricade hidden inside the building – infantry request and coordinate tank fire. Buildings are reported to be linked by underground tunnels  terrorists use to move from one to another.

    The whole operation is to gain control over some high rise buildings terrorists (FSA) snipers use to fire upon traffic on on “October 6th highway”

Seems to me what government forces need badly is heavy demolition charges or Israel-style armored bulldozers to remove buildings completely, not taking them room after room….


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#1269 Ben Dejo

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 1442 PM

Sounds like they need the Royal Ordnance L9 Demolition Gun..... Or maybe a ML-20 on an AFV hull, similar to how the Egyptians did the T-34 as SP arty with the 122mm D-30. Some local modification for the armor ( needs massive cumulative resistance, KE not so much) use like a more logical KV-2.
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#1270 Yalmuk

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 1737 PM

HJ-8 hit's a moving tank. 


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#1271 BLAH

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 1841 PM

That was a good hit (not good for the tankers, of course).


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#1272 jmcmtank

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 0540 AM

You can see the driver getting out at about 20s.


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#1273 Jim Warford

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 1437 PM

Just in case someone asks, "What does it look like when a 125mm HEAT round is fired at your forhead?" Here's a vidcap...

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#1274 Daan

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 1454 PM

Sounds like they need the Royal Ordnance L9 Demolition Gun..... Or maybe a ML-20 on an AFV hull, similar to how the Egyptians did the T-34 as SP arty with the 122mm D-30. Some local modification for the armor ( needs massive cumulative resistance, KE not so much) use like a more logical KV-2.

 Nah, they need:

 

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The video from the snapshot:


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#1275 alejandro_

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 1747 PM

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#1276 Simon Tan

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 1949 PM

Any post shaheed follow up on the incoming HEAT?


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#1277 BLAH

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 2337 PM

Syrian tankers seem to be quite aware of the T-72's ability to burn up quickly -- going by the amount of times they bail.  It seems like they burn up about as much as they blow up -- the variable nature of propellant fires.

 

I'm wondering if a fire suppression system inside the fighting compartment may help here -- it won't save the crew killed by spall, but they'll still be able to recover and reuse the tank.  It won't save a fuel tank hit, but they don't seem to be as common as fighting compartment ones.


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#1278 Ben Dejo

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 2349 PM

 

Syrian tankers seem to be quite aware of the T-72's ability to burn up quickly -- going by the amount of times they bail.  It seems like they burn up about as much as they blow up -- the variable nature of propellant fires.
 
I'm wondering if a fire suppression system inside the fighting compartment may help here -- it won't save the crew killed by spall, but they'll still be able to recover and reuse the tank.  It won't save a fuel tank hit, but they don't seem to be as common as fighting compartment ones.

 

As you stated earlier, it is the propellant fires that destroy these tanks, solve the deflagration problem and you will be able to recover more knocked out tanks. As we all know the fuel tanks are forward surrounding the driver as part of the armor package, and yet we have seen cumulative hits galore in the front slope and yet the tanks survives and indeed still fights.

The problem is the deflagration of the main gun propellant charges.
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#1279 BLAH

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 0125 AM

Yeah.  I've seen a couple of RPG hits that set a fuel tank alight, but even then, they appear quite innocuous compared to the propellant fires (if the area was controlled, they probably could have stopped the fire).

 

However, considering there's so many T-72s, it's probably far harder to replace tankers than tanks.


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#1280 shep854

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 0808 AM

Just in case someone asks, "What does it look like when a 125mm HEAT round is fired at your forhead?" Here's a vidcap...

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My impression is that this is a studio job.  The projo seems to be moving way too slow


Edited by shep854, 30 October 2013 - 0809 AM.

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