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#141 Jim Warford

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 2341 PM

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#142 Jim Warford

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 0152 AM

I recently discovered this info from 2008 confirming that no East German Army units participated in Operation Danube:

"Two East German divisions were already ready at the border: one had to travel to Děčín and Litoměřice, the other to Pilsen. The Czechoslovak anti-Reform Communists Drahomír Kolder and Vasil Biľak but Brezhnev personally asked German soldiers to stay at home. Consequently, Moscow's leadership decided at the last minute that two already mobilized divisions should not cross the GDR border. According to German historians, then East German Communist leader Walter Ulbricht felt humiliation."

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#143 BansheeOne

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 0606 AM

Correct. It was felt that German troops invading Czechoslovakia on the 30th anniversary of 1938 would be bad PR, even if they were good communists. The East German government of course wanted to prove that they were the latter first; they had spent the previous ten years distancing themselves from the original goal of a united Germany under communist rule in favor of the narrative that the DDR had nothing to do with previous German history except select revolutionary bits, and rather was an all-new thing, the first workers-and-peasants state on German territory whose tradition was communist resistance to the Nazis, basically having been on the winning side of WW II. Barring them from the Czech Blitzkrieg revival was a major blow to them.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 1044 AM

Correct. It was felt that German troops invading Czechoslovakia on the 30th anniversary of 1938 would be bad PR, even if they were good communists. The East German government of course wanted to prove that they were the latter first; they had spent the previous ten years distancing themselves from the original goal of a united Germany under communist rule in favor of the narrative that the DDR had nothing to do with previous German history except select revolutionary bits, and rather was an all-new thing, the first workers-and-peasants state on German territory whose tradition was communist resistance to the Nazis, basically having been on the winning side of WW II. Barring them from the Czech Blitzkrieg revival was a major blow to them.

 

The Soviet leadership was likely right about the bad PR it would have generated, though.


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#145 BansheeOne

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 1115 AM

Oh, I have absolutely no doubt. I can see the ten-feet-high headlines of "SBZ* HAS GERMAN TANKS ROLLING THROUGH PRAGUE AGAIN 30 YEARS LATER" accompanied by side-by-side pictures of then and now West Germany's conservative Springer Press would have made of this right now, followed by every other official and unofficial news source in the Western world.

 

 

* Sowjetische Besatzungszone, Soviet Occupation Zone. Even after Springer's papers started referring to the DDR as such, they put it in quotation marks by way of disacknowledgement.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 0451 AM

Oh, I have absolutely no doubt. I can see the ten-feet-high headlines of "SBZ* HAS GERMAN TANKS ROLLING THROUGH PRAGUE AGAIN 30 YEARS LATER" accompanied by side-by-side pictures of then and now West Germany's conservative Springer Press would have made of this right now, followed by every other official and unofficial news source in the Western world.

 

 

* Sowjetische Besatzungszone, Soviet Occupation Zone. Even after Springer's papers started referring to the DDR as such, they put it in quotation marks by way of disacknowledgement.

 

Czechs and Slovaks would not have been happy to see german visitors again. Coming once again to occupy. and probabaly they saw a risk in escalating the situation and driving the czechoslovak population  to act more rebellious fighting against the german occupation..

 

What the BILD prints was not of much concern to the central committee I think. They were going to be painted as evil invaders anyway.


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#147 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 0845 AM

 

Czechs and Slovaks would not have been happy to see german visitors again.

In the same way, the reasons for this were also ( non officially) explained in the GDR. There were only 23 years of them since 1945, and the memories were still too fresh.


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 2307 PM

T-10Ms from the Heavy Tank Regiment, 1st Guards Tank Army (GSFG) in Plzen...


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#149 Jim Warford

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 2226 PM

Just to clarify things regarding those T-10Ms...it's highly unlikely that they were organic to the 1st Guards. According to CIA/FOIA sources, the 1st Guards either didn't have a heavy tank regiment or had a regiment that was still equipped with "JS" heavy tanks. The most likely scenario is that these T-10Ms were included with the units that task organized into the 1st Guards from the 8th Guards CAA.
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Posted 18 August 2018 - 1235 PM

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Oct. 31,1968 the last Hungarian army unit leaves Czechoslovakia at Drégelypalánk

 

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#151 Jim Warford

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Posted 23 February 2019 - 0100 AM

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#152 Jim Warford

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2131 PM

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Posted 29 May 2019 - 2255 PM

SU-100s in Trnava August 1968...

 

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#154 Jim Warford

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 2115 PM



Correct. It was felt that German troops invading Czechoslovakia on the 30th anniversary of 1938 would be bad PR, even if they were good communists. The East German government of course wanted to prove that they were the latter first; they had spent the previous ten years distancing themselves from the original goal of a united Germany under communist rule in favor of the narrative that the DDR had nothing to do with previous German history except select revolutionary bits, and rather was an all-new thing, the first workers-and-peasants state on German territory whose tradition was communist resistance to the Nazis, basically having been on the winning side of WW II. Barring them from the Czech Blitzkrieg revival was a major blow to them.

 

Interestingly enough, a photographer clearly thought the photo below would be of interest...taken in Banska Bystrica, Czechoslovakia - August 1968: 

 

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#155 Jim Warford

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 2215 PM

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#156 Jim Warford

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 2129 PM

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 1636 PM

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