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#21 Chris Werb

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 0859 AM

Cylclones have 25mm cannon. Usually one in an unstabilised mounting forward (Mk 38 Mod 0 or perhaps Mod 1) forward and a stabilised mounting aft with a coaxial 40mm GL (Mk 96 Mod 0) aft.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1131 AM

Thanks for the correction, Chris. So they were never intended for high speed shooting anyway.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1329 PM

More

 

http://breakingdefen...orked-says-gao/

 

 But according to GAO, LCS sailors are getting literally tired of the ship: They averaged about six hours of sleep per day, 25 percent below the Navy’s eight-hour standard, and key personnel such as engineers got even less. That’s in spite of

  • extensive reliance on contractors both aboard and ashore, with a “rigid” schedule of monthly returns to Singapore that restricted how far from port the LCS could sail;
  • the decision to increase Freedom‘s core crew by 25 percent, from 40 to 50 — the maximum the ship can accommodate without a “significant” redesign; and
  • the 19-sailor “mission module” crew, who are supposed to operate LCS’s weapons, helicopters, and small boats, pitching in daily to help the core crew run the ship’s basic systems.

 

 



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1345 PM

I think general consensus here is that LCS is a lemon. 

 

Now, question is, can they salvage anything out of it?



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1352 PM

It's a lemon as a concept, put some real armament and it will become a fast corvette, the platform is big, fast and proven.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1508 PM

Damn expensive fast corvette....



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 1518 PM

As of now it is a damn expensive yacht.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 0814 AM



Cylclones have 25mm cannon. Usually one in an unstabilised mounting forward (Mk 38 Mod 0 or perhaps Mod 1) forward and a stabilised mounting aft with a coaxial 40mm GL (Mk 96 Mod 0) aft.

USS Hurricane (PC-3) got a pair of Mk38 mod 2 not too long ago. I don't know if any other Cyclones will get them too.

 

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 0031 AM

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Edit in the spirit of thread drift - Great video on Navy hydrofoils here, including footage of the one with the Sheridan turret, 

 


Edited by Mr King, 08 April 2014 - 0042 AM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 0036 AM

The problem is they don't have enough crew on the boat, and can't fit enough, to maintain what weapons and systems they have on it already.  They shoved 25lbs of shit into a 10lb bag.  All in the name of an absolutely irrational amount of speed.  The stupid thing isn't a patrol vessel; it's a strike fighter.  S/F....Ken M 



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 1236 PM

Damn expensive fast corvette....

 

Show me a cheap US warship and I´ll agree. 



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 0747 AM

Vertical-launch Hellfire; lipstick on a pig?

http://www.dodbuzz.c...issiles-to-lcs/

Navy Adds Hellfire Missile To LCS

"National Harbor, Md — The Navy is integrating a vertically-launched longbow Hellfire missile onto the Littoral Combat Ship as a way to give the platform more fire-power, service officials said Wednesday.

"Unlike other missiles that would require laser-designation to pinpoint targets, the longbow Hellfire can use what’s called millimeter wave seeker technology that can autonomously track and destroy multiple targets simultaneously."



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 0800 AM

Thanks for the update Cybermax. Mod 2 looks to be a much better weapon system than the early Mk38s or Mk96.

 

We've trialled Brimstone on ships against small boats. Dual mode Brimstone would give you a lot more flexibility than MMW HELLFIRE in the types of target you could attack and how accurately you could target them. If you wanted to just hit the wheelhouse of a trawler for example.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 0932 AM

NIH, Chris. The UK isn't a congressional district.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 1202 PM

http://en.wikipedia....pe_056_corvette

 

That seems to be much more heavily armed than the Navy's FCS will ever be, and probably significantly cheaper to build as well.


Edited by crazyinsane105, 10 April 2014 - 1204 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 0804 AM

The buzzards may be gathering--from Military.com:

http://www.military....html?ESRC=eb.nl

7th Fleet Admits LCS Not Suited For Pacific

U.S. Navy officials told a government watchdog theLittoral Combat Ship fleet is ill suited for duty in the Pacific, according to a Bloomberg report.

"Several 7th Fleet officials told us they thought the LCS in general might be better suited to operations in the Persian Gulf," said a Government Accountability Office report.

'GAO officials said the controversial LCS lacks the speed, range and electronic warfare capabilities to function in the geographic expanse that is the Pacific theater. As a result, the Navy should consider buying fewer LCS if the vessel is unable to perform in the Pacific, according to Bloomberg's report.'

And...the doubletalk:

"This ship was built to a specific survivability standard and it meets that standard. It was built to address specific requirements and specific threats, specifically mine warfare, anti-submarine warfare in the littorals and anti-surface warfare in the littorals. It meets those requirements," 

 

VIDEO (Complete with survivability doubletalk):

http://www.military..../3450227116001/


Edited by shep854, 11 April 2014 - 0804 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 0901 AM

Damn expensive project still looking for a mission it'd be suitable for...

 

In older times, people have been beheaded for less... :P


Edited by Sardaukar, 11 April 2014 - 0901 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 1019 AM

Damn expensive project still looking for a mission it'd be suitable for...

 

In older times, people have been beheaded for less... :P

 

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 1358 PM

This Cyclone upgrade was news to me!

 

http://www.navy.mil/...00&tid=593&ct=2



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 1437 PM

This Cyclone upgrade was news to me!

 

http://www.navy.mil/...00&tid=593&ct=2

 

Sometimes I get the impression that the USN tries to hide the fact that it owns and operates all sorts of watercraft ,not just carriers and subs. The two local newspapers are as rah-rah for the Navy as any fishwrappers on the planet, but even they don't run much about the PCs.

 

A cynic might wonder if the PC fleet operating in the Persian Gulf had any input to the LCS program. A lot of what the LCSes are expected to be doing, to me, reads like what the PCs have been doing. Rather than a Perry-Lite, design a simple high-speed vessel that is PC-Plus.






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