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#261 BansheeOne

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0701 AM

Good old Renate Künast of the Greens whose main concern after the Würzburg train axing spree was why police couldn't just render the perpetrator incapacitated rather than killing him reliably took to Twitter again after the Reichsbürger shootout, suggesting that there was a lack of media outrage compared to what would have been if the killer had been an Islamist.

 

Renate is back in the news, but this time she actually looks like the victim of the fashionable fake news trend. Various right-wing Facebook profiles had quoted her with allegedly stating about the Freiburg refugee rape case "While the traumatized young refugee has killed, one still has to help him now" to the "Süddeutsche Zeitung". Except that both she and the newspaper denied this statement was ever made; "Spiegel Online" notes the halting German of the supposed quote, including capitalizing "Junge", which makes it look like somebody wanted to write "boy". You get that in a lot of posts from self-styled defenders of German culture, indicating they're not particularly firm in their written German, and possibly not from Germany at all.

 

The case also feeds into the general debate of Facebook being slow to take down fake news, slander or hate speech under relevant German law; Künast complains it took three days and 5,000-plus shares of one of the posts alone for the company to react, despite her calling Facebook's chief lobbyist in Germany personally in addition to going through the regular reporting channels.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0714 AM

-auf-facebook-a-1125240.html"]"Spiegel Online" notes the halting German of the supposed quote[/url], including capitalizing "Junge", which makes it look like somebody wanted to write "boy". You get that in a lot of posts from self-styled defenders of German culture, indicating they're not particularly firm in their written German, and possibly not from Germany at all.


But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.
 

The case also feeds into the general debate of Facebook being slow to take down fake news, slander or hate speech under relevant German law; Künast complains it took three days and 5,000-plus shares of one of the posts alone for the company to react, despite her calling Facebook's chief lobbyist in Germany personally in addition to going through the regular reporting channels.


Conspiracy theory on: The fact that the pro censorship crowed exploits this means it was a false flag operation by some left NGO funded by the department of justice. ;)

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0718 AM

But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.

 

No shit. Sometimes I think I'm the last human on earth who can write proper German, and after the Great Reform I'm not always sure about that either.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0759 AM


But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.

 
No shit. Sometimes I think I'm the last human on earth who can write proper German, and after the Great Reform I'm not always sure about that either.

I have got an old nineties Duden on the writing desk and use old german orthography file for my automatic correction. Just because. B)

Though the reformed orthography is not as bad as some make it out to be, the downward spiral in education is the real problem. Coupled with a much higher visibility nowadays, because everyone is writing today. Back in ye olden days professionals have been writing most of all published written texts. Today anybody with an internet connection is a "published writer".

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0915 AM

Though the reformed orthography is not as bad as some make it out to be, 

 

I suppose we have to agree to disagree on that one. The prime justification for the education ministries to dictate new orthography, something which in itself was way beyond their authority to begin with, was to bring down the error rates in the pupils' spelling. Now, years later, the rates have not only failed to go down, but actually gone up. At the same time the new rules are adding more ambiguity, create a false connection between word stems ("Quäntchen", "Stängel"), or are just as illogical as the rules they replaced, just different.

 

We had a unified spelling prior to the reform across all newspapers. Now most newspapers have set their own "standards" that are usually a mix of traditional and new spelling.

 

The worst aspect is that so many people were willing to hastily adopt an illegitimate law even when it actually had zero authority for them. The law was and is limited to schools and public services, nobody else is obliged to follow it.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 0940 AM

Oh I think we agree more than disagree there. The ambiguity added in by the reforms and illogic and just plain ignorance on part of the "experts" tasked with the reform is a pain in the butt, yes. e.g. "Thron" has withstood several reforms, although there has not been a diphtong in german language for centuries. And your examples of course. And let's not get started on the changes to where a comma is put, or not. Or maybe. :rolleyes:


The actual problem with the bad writing skills comes from bad schools that are on a self reinforcing downward spiral, because the new students wanting to become teachers are already dumbed down. And there is a steady movement to dumb down school and university even more. Instead of hiring more teachers and train those better. <_<


The reform is more of a symptom than a cause imho.

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 1311 PM

A German-born twelve-year-old with German-Iraqi citizenship is alleged to have planted two crude homemade bombs in Ludwigshafen, RLP during the last weeks; neither went off. It's being suggested this is another case of "IS remote control" via the internet, like the Würzburg axeman and Ansbach bomber who were in chat contact with outsiders during their acts. It's beating the age record by a fair bit though; the two guys currently on trial for bombing an Essen Sikh temple in April were 16 at the time, and the girl who stabbed a federal cop in the neck at Hannover Central Station this summer 15.



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 0615 AM

In other news:

 

A member of the Turkish intelligence has been arrested in Hamburg for planning assassinations of prominent Kurdish exiles and the DiTIB is under investigation for espionage. Collecting intel on various critics of the Erdogan regime: Kurds, Gülenists but also German politicians critical of the regime.



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 0629 AM

In other news:
 
A member of the Turkish intelligence has been arrested in Hamburg for planning assassinations of prominent Kurdish exiles and the DiTIB is under investigation for espionage. Collecting intel on various critics of the Erdogan regime: Kurds, Gülenists but also German politicians critical of the regime.


turkish state controlled Media is blaring that good turks should report kurds, gülenists and other enemies to the turkish embassies for some time now.


Yeah. well. right. we had that twice in Germany and now we have migrants doing it. Is this considered proper integration? :unsure:

And our law enforcement is slow to react. Partly because only a few speak the language and know these communities.

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1519 PM

In more other news: a truck ran into a christmas market in Berlin. Nine dead, 50 or so injured. State owned Berlin TV station rbb says police suspects terrorism.

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1528 PM

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1532 PM

There will be an extra on TV in 15 minutes. On the other thread a newspaper reported the perp might have escaped. Emphasis on might.

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1625 PM

Axel, Dave you and everybody else OK?


BTW, one perp dead, the other in custody.

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1649 PM

Yeah, I was playing KSP all evening - my mother called from home to inform me of events. Just posted in the Islamic Terror Attacks thread (though it's not clear whether this was one yet). Dave texted me to inquire some time ago, too.



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 1903 PM

Not again :( and again and again

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 2125 PM

Good to know you are well.



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 2213 PM

Oh Geez, I am sorry for the German people.  Can all of our German members check in please.  Religion of Peace doncha know.....

In more other news: a truck ran into a christmas market in Berlin. Nine dead, 50 or so injured. State owned Berlin TV station rbb says police suspects terrorism.



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 0029 AM

Update:

The dead perp is most likely another victim. The truck driver had been missing since 16:00 hours. He was on the way back from Italy. Cops think the perp killed him when he hijacked the truck. The perp did try to run but was arrested a few hundred meters away.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 0143 AM

Apparently the perp was an asylum seeker of Pakistani or Afghan descent. That should be a big help for Merkel in the next election.

 

http://www.abc.net.a...-berlin/8133952



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 0247 AM

Update:

The dead perp is most likely another victim. The truck driver had been missing since 16:00 hours. He was on the way back from Italy. Cops think the perp killed him when he hijacked the truck. The perp did try to run but was arrested a few hundred meters away.

TBH the "dead perp in truck" thing confused me from the beginning: Why would you need two people? And the truck did not look damaged enough to cause death inside. Makes sense if the body is the unfortunate original driver.

 

EDIT: Reported death toll now is 12. Let's hope no arsehole tries to beat that score now. Good thing I already been to the Christmas markets here.


Edited by Marek Tucan , 20 December 2016 - 0248 AM.





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